So my question is: Can Vampire Batman use Black Hand's Steal Energy Sp on click #4 to heal up to click #1 after he one-shot's someone?

I.e. can I choose the order of the actions? Batman's trait says he heals 2 clicks when he KO's a character, but that's the only way he heals beyond his starting line. So could I KO someone, heal two, then heal an additional 1 using Steal Energy from Black Hand to heal to click #1?

Thanks.

VAMPIRIC HUNGER: Batman begins the game on click #4. When Batman KO's an opposing character, heal him of 2 damage. When he does, he may heal beyond his starting line.

It will be more helpful if you quote the powers (particularly with Batman, since there are so many to hunt through.)

That Batman can only pass his Starting Line via his trait, which says he heals 2 whenever he KO's an opposing character. If he's above it (clicks 1-3) he can heal normally. If he's below if (4 and beyond) he can't heal past it (from 4 to 3) except via his trait.

I'm pretty sure that he cannot be healed by any other means than his trait when he has passed the starting line as the following rule applies to both passing the starting line and when past it.

Rulebook page 10:

Pretty positive you are correct. The only way to pass those clix is with the trait.

VAMPIRIC HUNGER: Batman begins the game on click #4. When Batman KO's an opposing character, heal him of 2 damage. When he does, he may heal beyond his starting line.

OBLIVION OF DEATH: When a friendly character with the Black Lantern Corps keyword is healed because an opposing character is KO'd, increase the healing by 1.

If you are talking about the above sp on Black Hand, then yes it seems to me that you would be able to do that.

Here we go

I would agree 100% with Mir

Compare to Dracula from ASM

Bat-batman only heals beyond the start when he KOs

Galius Zed, BL
So either effect can heal Zed above his starting

So, based on the above, Bats only heals from KOs

Edit: Black Hand's SP

If Bats has the keyword from being BH's possessee or because he has a Black Lantern Ring assigned to him (and BH is on the team either as possessor or character) then, yes, he would heal 3!

Black Hand's trait does not heal Batman, it modifies Batman's ability to heal himself. Batman can combine these effects to heal 3 clicks in 1 KO.

That is fantastic and wonderful that you don't need more entities to make a Monster or Black Lantern theme team. Played with the Battery his +1 att/def/speed is nice too.

Ok, so that's a yes then. Cool! Just wanted to check. Thanks!

Nope, it was ruled that drac and the other vamps can ONLY be healed past their starting click by their trait, I see no reason why this would be different.

Unless you just mean he can heal 3 when he's further down the dial, in which case I'd tell you that's not what we are talking about.

I think the Key is that Black Hand's name is Replaced with "Batman" like the erratas/rulings regarding Hope or any other "can use" power, so it works because the Special Power that Batman chooses from Black Hand is Batman's power for in-game reasoning/ruling.

"A what a twisted web we weave when at first PAC we're doth deceived."

Can you link to that ruling?

I'm most certainly saying Batman can heal from click 4 to click 1 if Black Hand is a character on the map not even possessing anything, just on the map.

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416774

Also if Black hand was on the field batman cannot heal.from his special power because he won't have the black lantern keyword. Unless he got it from a black power battery or ring.

I just want with the easy presumption of him having an assigned Black ring.

Regardless, your thread proves me wrong.

That thread proves nothing in regard to these two figures.

Black Hand is modifying the Healing that is being done by Batman. Batman can have his healing be modified as it would still be his trait that is healing him. So yes he can use Black Hand's ability with his trait to heal 3 clicks at once.

Don't doubt yourself A_B you nailed it the first time.