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Does a ranged combat action require range value to initiate?
Lockjaw has 0 range. He is adjacent to 3 Weasels. Can Lockjaw be given range to make a ranged combat attack via the Weasel's damage power?
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TECH-GURU TO THE UNDERWORLD: Weasel can use Enhancement, and once per turn when he does, also modify the attacking character's attack and range values by +1.
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ENHANCEMENT: When an adjacent friendly character makes a ranged combat attack, this character modifies the adjacent friendly character’s damage value by +1.
I may be wrong, but I don't think he could boost his range because that requires Enhancement which requires a ranged combat attack to activate. I don't think you can initiate a ranged combat action if you have 0 range...
If that was true then every heavy object I ever threw with the Hulk or Black Adam was illegal. I don't think there's any such rule, it should be perfectly fine to up Lockjaw's range 3 times to a 3 for a Ranged Attack.
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Enhancement - "When an adjacent friendly character makes a ranged combat attack, this character modifies the adjacent friendly character’s damage value by +1"
Ranged Combat Attack - "An attack that requires an unblocked line of fire to a target up to the character’s range value away in squares."
I don't think you could use enhancement with 0 range, but I am not a judge.
If that was true then every heavy object I ever threw with the Hulk or Black Adam was illegal. I don't think there's any such rule, it should be perfectly fine to up Lockjaw's range 3 times to a 3 for a Ranged Attack.
I considered that. The bold concerns me...
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A character holding an object may throw it at a single opposing character; a character holding an object does not have to attack with the object when given a ranged combat action. To throw an object, give the character a ranged combat action and make a ranged combat attack, even if its range value is 0. Regardless of the attacker’s Range Value, light objects can be thrown 8 squares; heavy objects, 6 squares. Regardless of the attacker’s Damage Value, a successful ranged combat attack with an object deals Object Damage. Object Damage means a light object deals 2 damage; and a heavy object deals 3 damage.
Seems as though you can't make an RCA with 0 range unless stated otherwise.
EDIT: And according to the 2013 core rule book...
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Characters with a Range Value greater than 0 can make ranged attacks. When an opposing character is within the range of one of your characters, you can give your character an action to make a ranged attack.
Looking at it, I still think I'm right. Let's look at your quote...
"Characters with a Range Value greater than 0 can make ranged attacks. When an opposing character is within the range of one of your characters, you can give your character an action to make a ranged attack."
If you were right about how this is saying it works, then the bolded would mean that if you had 10 range, and a Weasel next to you, and the only opposing figure was 11 squares away then you still WOULD NOT be able to make the attack.
Generally the rules tell us what we CAN do, not what we cannot do. But in this instance I think you're stretching looking for something that isn't explicitly there.
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jtallday- Jon I wouldn't challenge you if I wasn't sure you are wrong cuz I don't have that kind of energy.
Looking at it, I still think I'm right. Let's look at your quote...
"Characters with a Range Value greater than 0 can make ranged attacks. When an opposing character is within the range of one of your characters, you can give your character an action to make a ranged attack."
If you were right about how this is saying it works, then the bolded would mean that if you had 10 range, and a Weasel next to you, and the only opposing figure was 11 squares away then you still WOULD NOT be able to make the attack.
Generally the rules tell us what we CAN do, not what we cannot do. But in this instance I think you're stretching looking for something that isn't explicitly there.
Lockjaw doesn't have range value until Weasel uses Enhancement. Enhancement kicks in when a character makes a ranged combat attack. You can't make a ranged combat attack if you don't have range.
I can see that. But then my point still stands. Let's say your figure has range 2, and there is an opposing figure 5 squares away and you have 3 Weasels. If you are correct, then I think in the situation I just outlined you ALSO couldn't make the attack because "When an opposing character is within the range of one of your characters, you can give your character an action to make a ranged attack." Without the figure ALREADY being within Range you can't take the Action in the first place. ALSO, big difference between a Ranged Combat ACTION and Attack. I think you can take a Ranged Combat Action, THEN the Enhancement/Shield/Hydra can kick in, THEN you pick a Target, THEN you make the Attack. At which point you DO have Range.
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jtallday- Jon I wouldn't challenge you if I wasn't sure you are wrong cuz I don't have that kind of energy.
I can see that. But then my point still stands. Let's say your figure has range 2, and there is an opposing figure 5 squares away and you have 3 Weasels. If you are correct, then I think in the situation I just outlined you ALSO couldn't make the attack because "When an opposing character is within the range of one of your characters, you can give your character an action to make a ranged attack." Without the figure ALREADY being within Range you can't take the Action in the first place. ALSO, big difference between a Ranged Combat ACTION and Attack. I think you can take a Ranged Combat Action, THEN the Enhancement/Shield/Hydra can kick in, THEN you pick a Target, THEN you make the Attack. At which point you DO have Range.
I get what you mean. I edited that post out because it was me misunderstanding you.
Looking at it, I still think I'm right. Let's look at your quote...
"Characters with a Range Value greater than 0 can make ranged attacks. When an opposing character is within the range of one of your characters, you can give your character an action to make a ranged attack."
If you were right about how this is saying it works, then the bolded would mean that if you had 10 range, and a Weasel next to you, and the only opposing figure was 11 squares away then you still WOULD NOT be able to make the attack.
Generally the rules tell us what we CAN do, not what we cannot do. But in this instance I think you're stretching looking for something that isn't explicitly there.
Jon is spot on with this assessment
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