Triplicate Girl's bystanders can be granted powers that can't be ignored, due to Triplicate Girl's trait

TRIPLICATE GIRL AND DUO DAMSEL: When you set up your force, place two Triplicate Girl bystander tokens, as described on this card, on the map adjacent to Triplicate Girl. They replace their combat values with Triplicate Girl's current printed combat values and they can use any powers that Triplicate Girl can use. When one of them is KO'd, Triplicate Girl can use Willpower for the rest of the game. When Triplicate Girl would be KO'd, KO a friendly bystander token named Triplicate Girl instead, if there is one, and heal Triplicate Girl to click #7. This ability can't be ignored.

This has been ruled to work against Pulse Wave already ( although I will note they never got back to me on the last question in that thread)

http://www.wizkidseventsystem.com/bb...ate+girl#p2985

Does the same work against Battle Fury if the bystanders can use Shape Change, for example through Triplicate Girl 'Prime' being assigned the decoy construct?

Battle Fury: This character ignores Shape Change, can’t make ranged combat attacks, can’t be carried, and can’t be targeted by Incapacitate or Mind Control.

Sorry to reply to myself but the "official site" did a super fast ruling on this already

http://www.wizkidseventsystem.com/bb...php?f=3&t=3830

Seems like Battle Fury can't ignore the Shape Change! Yet another reason why Triplicate Girl is awesome.

Hmmm...Interesting.

I dont entirely follow how Battle Fury ignoring shape change is the same as ignoring the power that gives shape change.

Then again my understanding of a WES ruling isnt really a requirement.

That's a weird initial ruling, that the powers granted the bystanders can't be ignored. I'd think that the granting, and the KO stuff wouldn't be ignored, but that the powers themselves could be.

Dumb ruling. And I *like* TG, I was hoping to get her widespread attention when I player her Worlds. She performed well, but the player controlling her (me) did not!

Another ruling to look out for when playing her is that the bystanders only get the standard version of powers that the main one can use. This might seem a disadvantage if you wanted to use Wall or Net construct but use her with something like the Sinestro Corps Power Battery and instead of getting Perplex, but only to decrease, they get the standard version of perplex which is obviously much better.

That one I was made aware of at Gencon (only after playing her incorrectly with the Wall construct, and losing anyway).

FWIW, I agree completely. The trait says the ability to give them powers can't be ignored, not that the powers given can't be ignored. Maybe they just ruled too quickly and didn't think about it.

The "and they can use any powers that Triplicate Girl can use" says that they can use the powers, not that the powers can't be ignored... although shouldn't that mean that PW would allow them to have the powers, but that the usage of the powers would be ignored? Wait, does that mean that this ruling is in line with PW not working against their powers... meaning they ruled that wrong?

The trait doesn't have to say it, because that's in the Player's Guide.

Player's Guide section 1:

If a special power or other game effect states that it can’t be ignored, then any standard powers or abilities the effect allows a character to use also can’t be ignored.

The reason the Powers cannot be ignored is because the trait that grants them cannot be ignored. This became a thing thanks to DC10th Brainiac. I'm at work or I'd pull up the entry in the Player's Guide that explains this.

Can we just change your name to VanisherNinja?

They ruled on the Pulse Wave question a while ago, initially they ruled it the other way and then changed their minds so they definitely haven't ruled this one too quickly. If only Precision Strike said it ignored super senses...

Ah, that makes more sense... another "odd tweak that seldom applies" that happened while I was out of the game. Dang, thought I'd come across all of these by now. Thanks for the help to both of you!

My interpretation is same as yours. The ruling makes little sense to me based on the wording, but I suppose they're trying to keep it consistent with most "can't be ignored" powers.

Well, I do love me some TG, so I guess I don't mind.

Sadly, yes... poorly written powers that don't work how intended tend to not get rewritten unless it's too overpowered. If TG could deal 4-5 damage and/or had a long range and movement, you KNOW she would have been errata'd within a few weeks. LOL!