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M-G004 Supreme Intelligence:
"Omni-Wave Projector: Supreme Intelligence may target characters anywhere on the map with a ranged combat attack regardless of range and line of fire unless there is an opposing character of 100 points or more adjacent to him. When Supreme Intelligence targets a character with an attack, if that character isn't within range and line of fire, his damage value is 3 and is locked."
Does this power work with Ranged Combat Actions that activate and/or give a Ranged Combat Attack, like Pulse Wave or Energy Explosion?
Sent this to the "Roolz Teem", wanted to see what people say here Also...
M-G004 Supreme Intelligence:
"Omni-Wave Projector: Supreme Intelligence may target characters anywhere on the map with a ranged combat attack regardless of range and line of fire unless there is an opposing character of 100 points or more adjacent to him. When Supreme Intelligence targets a character with an attack, if that character isn't within range and line of fire, his damage value is 3 and is locked."
Does this power work with Ranged Combat Actions that activate and/or give a Ranged Combat Attack, like Pulse Wave or Energy Explosion?
There was a similar question asked in the Wizkids forums concerning Summoned Skull and his ability to target characters occupying water terrain regardless of range. It seems most things work like they normally would, but just ignore the need for line of fire or range. Pulse Wave, however, still requires you to draw lines of fire up to half his range with at least one line being drawn to an opposing character, ignore the abilities and powers of all characters with a line drawn to them, then you may target additional characters outside of the area of effect. These characters would not have their powers and abilities ignored. Whether Supreme Intelligence damage value would be locked at 1 or 3 in this case, I'm not sure.
Does this power work with Ranged Combat Actions that activate and/or give a Ranged Combat Attack, like Pulse Wave or Energy Explosion?
The card says he can make Ranged Combat Attacks. So no Ranged Combat actions.
But he would be able to use Energy Explosion with it, if he had it, which he doesn't. And assigning him a relic that grants it might be tricky.
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Sent this to the "Roolz Teem", wanted to see what people say here Also...
M-G004 Supreme Intelligence:
"Omni-Wave Projector: Supreme Intelligence may target characters anywhere on the map with a ranged combat attack regardless of range and line of fire unless there is an opposing character of 100 points or more adjacent to him. When Supreme Intelligence targets a character with an attack, if that character isn't within range and line of fire, his damage value is 3 and is locked."
Does this power work with Ranged Combat Actions that activate and/or give a Ranged Combat Attack, like Pulse Wave or Energy Explosion?
This power would never interact with Pulse wave anyway.
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PULSE WAVE
Give this character a ranged combat action even if it is adjacent to an opposing character; the area of effect for this attack is half the character’s range value. Draw lines of fire to all other characters within the area of effect, including at least one opposing character; these lines of fire ignore all game effects except for walls, blocking and elevated terrain. Game effects possessed or used by characters with a line of fire drawn to them are ignored until the action has been resolved. If a line of fire is drawn to more than 1 character, this character’s damage value becomes 1 and is locked. Each character hit is dealt damage.
Some characters let you choose a square and pulse wave from that square. Supreme intelligence doesn't do that. He just pulse waves from his own base. Even if he were allowed to use ranged combat actions with his trait he wouldn't be able to pulse wave anywhere on the map.
The card says he can make Ranged Combat Attacks. So no Ranged Combat actions.
But he would be able to use Energy Explosion with it, if he had it, which he doesn't. And assigning him a relic that grants it might be tricky.
As an FYI it has historically been ruled that a Ranged Combat Action, leads to a Ranged Combat Attack so you in fact could use Ranged Combat Actions through similar powers. Pulse Wave was ruled differently though once it moved to an Area of Effect Power.
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I don't quite understand the argument that he cannot use ranged combat actions, but could use Energy Explosion which requires a ranged combat action to trigger.
As for whether or not Pulse Wave could be used with this, you might want to check out the rules forums for the Summoned Skull post that I mentioned. I don't see Supreme Intelligence' ability and Summoned Skull's ability to be that much different that they wouldn't use Pulse Wave the same way (assuming that all other conditions are met). http://www.wizkidseventsystem.com/bb...ed+Skull#p7142
As for granting him Energy Explosion or Pulse Wave, that's a fairly easy thing to do in today's game.
I don't quite understand the argument that he cannot use ranged combat actions, but could use Energy Explosion which requires a ranged combat action to trigger.
My bad. I stumbled with EE not requiring it's own action. Forgot it still needs one.
Although it seems less cut and dried whether or not he can use a ranged combat action or not, going by dragon.
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Well, a character can be given a Free Action, Power Action, Move Action, Close Combat Action, or a Ranged Combat Action. Some of those can result with a Ranged Combat Attack, but I'm not sure how you make a Ranged Combat Attack otherwise. I'm sure there's some special ability or power out there that can do it. However, I'm not seeing that from his ability.
Well, a character can be given a Free Action, Power Action, Move Action, Close Combat Action, or a Ranged Combat Action. Some of those can result with a Ranged Combat Attack, but I'm not sure how you make a Ranged Combat Attack otherwise. I'm sure there's some special ability or power out there that can do it. However, I'm not seeing that from his ability.
this could be like with the Team Bases, 1 of each action, then they can make "ranged attacks" and "close combat attacks"
Combat actions, for example, will always lead to combat attacks, allowing the use of those powers, team abilities, or game effects the combat action permits.
Free Actions, Power Actions, and maybe even Move actions on occasions can lead to Combat Attacks.
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""dikrodnum wrote:
Does this power work with Ranged Combat Actions that activate and/or give a Ranged Combat Attack?"(my question)
Yes. A ranged combat action leads to a ranged combat attack so, unless specified otherwise, you may use Supreme Intelligence's trait with effects activated by a ranged combat action(their answer)"
So, yes, can use with Ranged Combat Actions. Except Pulse Wave. Just... Just... I can't...
Looks like it has nothing to do with Supreme Intelligence, but with Pulse Wave instead. I guess they're going to start ruling pulse wave to be more restrictive. I can see how it would be broken with Supreme Intelligence.