Gluttony has a special power on his second click

FEED FROM YOUR GLUTTONY: Gluttony can use Steal Energy. Opposing characters within 5 squares can't be healed.

If an opposing character can use steal energy
Each time an opposing character takes damage from a close combat attack made by this character, heal this character of 1 damage.

If that opposing character hits Gluttony with a close combat attack from click 1 to click 2 would they be able to heal with the Steal Energy.

Here are my thoughts, but not 100% on the timing.
Steal energy looks for damage taken, damage taken is defined as "The number of clockwise clicks applied to a target after damage is dealt." So in order to heal with the steal energy the dial needs to turn first. This means that Feed from your Gluttony will be showing so no healing will occur.

Is that correct?

I think Steal energy happens immediately and during the same time the damaged is applied. So that would allow the attacking player to then chooses the order of operations in which Steal energy and the applied damage occur, because they are in fact occuring simultaneously (at the same time.)

Steal Energy is dependent on the dial being turned. BlueRat is correct.

http://www.wizkidseventsystem.com/bb...+energy#p10212

I would agree with that except you then have issues with characters who's damage mechanic is not based on turning the dial, such as LoSH Bizzaro.

So what your saying is, that if a character "damages" Bizzaro with steal energy, the attacking character doesn't heal because because Bizzaro's dial doesn't ever turn for application of damage, but instead he removes an Orrizib token?

Cheers Icehot, tried to search for this on WES but couldn't think of anyone else with a similar power. Glad to see that I worked it out correctly.

Bizarro's dial does turn when he takes damage. Also note that this isn't just his opinion but an official ruling by Wizkids.

Bizzaro am helping you pay much more for travel and hotel

Bizzaro's dial only turns at the beginning of your turn. His dial; as far as I know doesn't turn for the purposes of applying/calculating damage, as that's what the Orrazib tokens are for.

So by that logic if a character with steal energy attacks Bizzaro, then steal energy is technically never triggered because his dial never turns for the purpose of applying or calculating damage.

It may be an official ruling, but it's quite a terrible one and was probably overlooked when dealing with figures who's damage application does no result in turning the dial as steal energy is one of the original standard powers that was around before damage was only applied by turning the dials.

More than likely it's oversight on their part as steal energy needs to be updated for characters and situations like this, as it's probably not working as intended, so I'll have to house rule it otherwise in these situations; as damage is damage!

You are not correct.


http://www.wizkidseventsystem.com/bb...=bizarro#p7762

What am I not correct about? I read your link and it doesn't contradict what I said. I said for the purpose of applying/calculating damage during an attack Bizzaro's dial does not turn. So I was saying that steal energy would theoretically not work against him, because of this his dial doesn't turn.

The link says you still turn his dial for the purposes of healing, so when he takes damage his dial should still turn as well. There has a purge of Bizarro questions since the errata but I will check again on the official rules forum.

That is exactly what you are wrong about. Steal Energy does work against Bizarro and you do in fact turn his dial when he takes damage.

Bizarro's trait does not say he does not take damage. What it does is change how he is KO'd. Every time he takes damage you remove a token from his card. When he has no tokens he is KO'd.

According to what you are saying you would never actually remove a token from his card because he would never take damage

I hate semantics in this game.

I would spirit of the rule that steal energy doesn't override Gluttony.

Good thinking though.

Huh? This has nothing to do with Semantics or with Steal Energy Overriding anything. In fact it is the exact opposite of that.

Steal Energy states the character must take damage. Taking damage turns the dial of that character.

Gluttony has a power that says opposing characters cannot heal. Steal Energy heals after the damage is taken. So if you attack Gluttony and knock him onto his power that says you cannot heal, then you cannot Heal and Steal Energy does not trigger.

So does Steal Energy work on the Hulk's click 11 or on Wolfsbane's click 7 and 9 if she doesn't roll a 1-2?

You only heal if the character takes damage. Both of those abilities say when the character would take damage INSTEAD... Since they don't actually take the damage you cannot heal via Steal Energy.