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Some game effects do not require the character to be assigned an action token when that action resolves, or they allow a character to do something after the character uses another kind of action, such as a power action or move action. Using a free action does not consume one of your available actions for the turn, and you may give your characters as many free actions as game effects allow. A character may not activate the same game effect twice in one turn with free actions, unless the game effect indicates otherwise.
Quote : Originally Posted by MASTER AERIALIST:
When Falcon has no action tokens, Falcon may be given a move action as a free action but he can't use the Carry ability during that move action. When he does, Falcon can use Close Combat Expert this turn.
Quote : Originally Posted by AVENGERS, ASSEMBLE:
Give Captain America a power action and choose another friendly character that shares a keyword with him and doesn't have 2 action tokens. That character is immediately given a move action as a free action with their speed value halved for this action.
Quote : Originally Posted by SIDESTEP
Give this character a free action; it can move with a locked speed value of 2.
Would Falcon be able Sidestep, then move with Master Aerialist, and move again as the target of Avengers, Assemble since they are all different game effects?
Well the free move from captain and falcons free move are move actions so you would have to do 2 different move actions. For example a vanilla move and then a phasing teleport or any other combination. You could not do 2 phasing or 2 vanilla movements because even though they come from two different effects its the character taking the free action.
Would Falcon be able Sidestep, then move with Master Aerialist, and move again as the target of Avengers, Assemble since they are all different game effects?
Yes. It would be legal as they are different game effects.
No. Two out of those three are move actions. You can only do a type of action as a free action once per turn.
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just putting this link here showing that you can use two move actions as free actions as long as they each activate a different effect for that move action.
As others already said, no on the two move actions. Just remember that Move Action doesn't mean "any action where you moved". Been seeing lots of people referring to Sidestep and Charge/Running Shot as counting as Move Actions for certain game effects, and that's just not correct.
A character may be given two move actions as free actions in the same turn as long as each action activated a different effect (such as a "standard" move, Phasing/Teleport, Leap/Climb, etc.)
In Falcon's case you couldn't do this as they would both be standard moves. However if he could use phasing/teleport one of the actions could be a standard move and then one could be to activate phase/teleport.
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No. Two out of those three are move actions. You can only do a type of action as a free action once per turn.
That's not correct. You can only activate the same effect as a fee action once per turn, but you can potentially do multiple things of the same type as free actions.
For example, a character with multiattack could use close combat expert as a free action, and then use ranged combat expert as a free action, event though they;re both power actions.
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Okay, so then my question is:
Sidestep and the Aerlalist Master. Aerialist is a move action with clauses (can't use the Carry ability), and Avengers, Assemble is a move action with clauses. They are NOT the same game effect in the same exact vein that Leap/Climb and Phasing/Teleport aren't. Is this relevant?
Or, more importantly, they're not the same because Aerialist Master is the name of the action, while Avengers, Assemble gives another character a generic move action...
Okay, so then my question is:
Sidestep and the Aerlalist Master. Aerialist is a move action with clauses (can't use the Carry ability), and Avengers, Assemble is a move action with clauses. They are NOT the same game effect in the same exact vein that Leap/Climb and Phasing/Teleport aren't. Is this relevant?
Or, more importantly, they're not the same because Aerialist Master is the name of the action, while Avengers, Assemble gives another character a generic move action...
As I understand it, "Avengers, Assemble" is just a standard move action for free (that would be his free movement... if he had Multi-Attack, he couldn't do a free action move and then attack after that, for example); Sidestep is a free action that lets you move (not a move action); Aerialist Master is the power that's being used for his free move action (so it's treated differently like how L/C is different than normal movement). So it's different effects on each one, which is why it works.
It's not the action that's done, it's the power (or lack thereof) being used for the action that can't be duplicated.
-Heroclix is not a game of logic, it's a game of strategy .... after all, when's the last time that you saw a giant (using a stealth ability) that was hiding behind a swingset... and nobody could SEE him????
Both of the powers say they give a move action as a free action. Neither of the powers is being activated by any specific type of power so the multiattack example does not apply in this situation either. Master aerialist isnt a power activated by giving a move action, it just make a move action a free action.
Unless Falcon has a power activated by a move action granted to him like phasing teleport, leap climb, etc, he would not be able to benefit from both the MASTER AERIALIST and AVENGERS, ASSEMBLE on the same turn.
That's not correct. You can only activate the same effect as a fee action once per turn, but you can potentially do multiple things of the same type as free actions.
For example, a character with multiattack could use close combat expert as a free action, and then use ranged combat expert as a free action, event though they;re both power actions.
I think I was thinking of Working Together's restriction...
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Both of the powers say they give a move action as a free action. Neither of the powers is being activated by any specific type of power so the multiattack example does not apply in this situation either. Master aerialist isnt a power activated by giving a move action, it just make a move action a free action.
Unless Falcon has a power activated by a move action granted to him like phasing teleport, leap climb, etc, he would not be able to benefit from both the MASTER AERIALIST and AVENGERS, ASSEMBLE on the same turn.
...so do L/C and Phasing (if you could use both for free):
LEAP/CLIMB Give this character a move action and move it up to its speed value...
PHASING/TELEPORT Give this character a move action and move it up to its speed value...
It's not that you're giving a move action, it's what's being used when you give them that action. If a figure with Multi-Attack could use both L/C and Phasing, it could use both to move twice... or it could use either power and then make a "non-powered" move action as a free action. It's not the action given, it's the power used for that action.
-Heroclix is not a game of logic, it's a game of strategy .... after all, when's the last time that you saw a giant (using a stealth ability) that was hiding behind a swingset... and nobody could SEE him????
...so do L/C and Phasing (if you could use both for free):
LEAP/CLIMB Give this character a move action and move it up to its speed value...
PHASING/TELEPORT Give this character a move action and move it up to its speed value...
It's not that you're giving a move action, it's what's being used when you give them that action. If a figure with Multi-Attack could use both L/C and Phasing, it could use both to move twice... or it could use either power and then make a "non-powered" move action as a free action. It's not the action given, it's the power used for that action.
I know, thats what im saying but in your post you indicated that Aerialist is the power that your are activating with a move power, which it isnt. It is not being activated, Aerialist is just letting you GIVE a move action as a free action when Falcon has no action tokens.
Aerialist and avengers assemble are not the same as leap climb or phasing/tp. The OP wanted to know if you could use both Aerialist and avengers assemble on the same turn and the answer for Falcon as is with no resource or entity, No he can not.
If Falcon managed to get his hands on either a phasing teleport or leap climb then yes he could use both.
I know, thats what im saying but in your post you indicated that Aerialist is the power that your are activating with a move power, which it isnt. It is not being activated, Aerialist is just letting you GIVE a move action as a free action when Falcon has no action tokens.
A power doesn't have to be just ones listed on the PAC. If there were a special power on some random Avenger that said "after [random Avenger] is given a move action, they may be given a free action to increase their defense by 1," they moved, bumped up their defense, and Cap used "Avengers, Assemble" to let them move for free, they couldn't activate that power again to bump up their defense an extra 1 because they've already used it.
In the same way, Master Aerialist IS the power that's granting the free move action so he could use that AND be given a free move action from Cap, too.
-Heroclix is not a game of logic, it's a game of strategy .... after all, when's the last time that you saw a giant (using a stealth ability) that was hiding behind a swingset... and nobody could SEE him????