A situation has come up a few times and another judge and I disagree on the interpretation of the new line of fire and size rules. I'd love for folks to weigh in.

The issue is this statement: Lines of Fire – Lines of fire drawn to or from a character are not blocked by characters smaller than themselves.

So, let's say X is a normal sized character, Y is a normal sized character, and Z is a giant sized character. If they are lined up like below (with O being Open Space):

XOOYOOZ

Assuming all have range of 6+ (so that they can shoot each other) - who can shoot who? The main point is whether Y blocks X from shooting Z since rule states that lines of fire are not blocked by characters smaller than themselves - X and Y are same size)

x can shoot anyone as can Z

Y would not block LOF from X to Z.

This rule -
would be read like this in your example.
Is a LOF being drawn to Z? Yes.

Is Y smaller than Z? Yes.

Because of that, the LOF drawn from X to Z is not blocked by Y.

Thay can all shoot each other. X and Y have a clear line of fire between them. The same is true for Y and Z. X and Z have a clear line of fire since Z is a giant and Y doesn't block it. This question comes up quite frquently in my playgroup. It's even worse when blocking terrain (B) shows up:

XOOYOBZ

Either in Outdoor as well as Indoors, I've always believed that that line of fire to Z is blocked; however, many players argue that it would be clear in Outdoor terrain.

Thanks. One more wrinkle - but should be simple/obvious (I hope) - A is another normal sized character:

XOOYOOAOOZ

X and A still can't shoot each other right?

One more:

So, let's say X is a TINY sized character, Y is a normal sized character, and Z is a giant sized character. If they are lined up like below (with O being Open Space):

XOOYOOZ

X can't shoot A.

X can shoot Z. Y is still smaller than Z and won't block LOF drawn to Z.

If Z is the only larger character, then no. Y would block LOF between X and A.

Are you asking if LOF is clear for all? If so, yes. There really is no difference between this set up and your original post.

Wait a minute. So, two normal-sized characters can't shoot each other past a tiny-sized character in the middle? I had this happen to me Saturday in my State-finals game, and the judge was active-judging.

Y is not tiny in that set up.

Oh, ok. I misread the original. Sorry for mucking things up. I was thinking a smaller character didn't block LOF between two larger characters, and was shocked to see someone say otherwise.

I do have another question, though. Is my understanding correct that if Y were blocking terrain, and one of the characters is normal sized, it wouldn't matter what size the other character is, but if they're both giant or colossal, and it's outdoor, then LOF is clear?

Another question. Say X is Normal Sized and blocks elevated terrain for targeting (but not blocking). Say Z is a colossal, and Y is blocking terrain on elevated terrain. Is LOF blocked?

Great Size changed not that long ago. Used to be that the blocking terrain would have blocked LOF, yes, but now:

This character can use Improved movement:[elevated], [hindering], [outdoor blocking], [move through characters] and Improved Targeting: [shoot out of adjacency]. Lines of fire drawn to or from this character are not blocked by elevated terrain or outdoor blocking terrain, and are not hindered unless the target occupies hindering terrain. This character may occupy multiple elevations. This ability can’t be countered or ignored.

Read more: http://heroclix.com/errata/design-in...#ixzz4Azd0p600

So, no, now the blocking terrain between X and Z wouldn't matter as long as they were outdoors.

I am not sure what you mean by "blocks elevated terrain for targeting (but not blocking)". Are you trying to say it has Improved Targeting: [blocking terrain]?

If so, then, no it still wouldn't be blocked. See the bolded portion above.

Thanks everyone - this was very helpful - like one of those Math topics that after trying to really grasp it for most of class, finally clicks and it all starts to make sense.

Sorry, I got in a bit of hurry. I was trying to say Improved Targeting: [elevated terrain], but not [blocking terrain].

Don't be surprised if Wizkids at some point changes the size rules. They did it before, and the current is with regards to line of fire way too radical in my opinion (a building can't hide a tiny from a giant or colossal, oh really?) .