"WARP LOYALTY: Sidestep, Mind Control. When Starro uses Mind Control, you may KO a Starrophyte bystander adjacent to an opposing character. If you do, Starro may target that opposing character regardless of range and line of fire. // Targets of Starro's Mind Control modify defense -1 for each Starrophyte bystander adjacent to them."

Can Starro target a character in stealth with Mind control? And if so, what does the attack count as, ranged or close?

1. Yes. Since it doesn't require a LoF Steaalth will have no impact on it.

2. It's a range attack since Mind Control only draws Lines of Fire when used as a RANGE action.

Not necessarily... giant reach needs LoF (plus, the power says regardless of LoF). Based on the Prof Juggy ruling, WIN would probably say you could use either one... you could ask on there to be sure, but that's the precedence they've set.

"Regardless of range" wouldn't impact Giant Reach's "within X squares." Otherwise it would have to include regardless of adjacency. So if they're within 3 and behind indoor blocking, yes this would work.

This is correct.

Burleigh you are getting confused by a similar but unrelated ruling again.

So basically it has improved targetting Hindering, which would have been nice for them to have just put on the card like they do most other powers.

This might be a little off topic, but where and when can we get the new starro figs.

Well, Starro could always make a MC attack as close assuming that someone is within close range.

There are two different things going on here....

1) Starro can use sidestep and mind control. These are standard versions of the powers, so MC may be done as a close or ranged action.

2) Starro may choose to KO a Starrophyte adjacent to an opposing character in order to make a MC attack regardless of range and LoF.

As a colossal, Starro has giant reach: 3 and gets to use improved targeting: hindering when making close attacks and anyone within 3 squares and LoF would be within reach for this.
If just targeting a single character within 3 squares, this may be the better option.


Starro also has , however, and as a colossal can make ranged attacks against adjacent characters as well as non-adjacent characters, so even if the stealthed character might be within reach of a close attack via giant reach, if you want to multi-target then you have to use range, and so then would need to KO the Starrophyte to get that stealthed character into the mix.

Obviously if the character is out of range for giant reach then the attack has to be ranged and if the would-be target is stealthed then you have to burn the Starrophyte.


No, just improved targeting for purposes of giant reach. This is needed to be able to make close attacks against stealthed targets in distant squares.

If they just gave him regular improved targeting: hindering then he could make a ranged attack against stealthed targets, which is very different (avoiding combat reflexes on closer targets, for example, not to mention the difference between a 3 square reach and a 10 square reach).

In the US, at PAX Unplugged, in Philadelphia, during Worlds. For the rest of the world, it's available at their Nationals events.

Starro's effect has nothing to do with Improved Targeting and would allow him to get around other effects that prevent lines of fire from being drawn as well.

wkF17-001 Juggernaut
It's weird that it just says "regardless of range and line of fire" which I assume is referring to a range attack, because a close attack would say something like "regardless of adjacency" ( figures from certain sets like ADW Ghostrider, Black Knight, or RAM, etc) if they wanted to point out that in the effect. Juggernaut doesn't list any restrictions.

I would ask Wizkids for a clarification on this matter.

Juggernaut's power doesn't specify what the attack is regardless of, just which characters to target. That's the big difference.

It has been clarified. The important thing to note is that he was designed pre-2017 rules. The previous rules didn't require such specific wording to allow for these effects. Anything that specifically told you which characters to target was assumed to circumvent normal targeting requirements. Now, those exceptions have to be explicitly spelled out. Older figures are essentially "grandfathered in" to be able to still function under the current rules.

http://win.wizkids.com/bb/viewtopic....5ca13dd#p31587

My apologies, I was shooting from the hip on the wording and ruling as I had to go. It would still be worth asking on WIN about using it as close with giant reach (behind a wall, for example) if that's what you're looking for.