COSMIC ENTITY: Moondragon can't be the target of an attack with more than one target.


So if someone retaliates with Mangog and I have more than one character in the area.
Can magog still retaliate since he can't target the original target.
Sorry this is messy for me to write.

But thanks all.

Everyone but the Cosmic Entity would be targeted by the attack.

Here is Mangog's colossal retaliation power:

And here is an answer WizKids gave to a similar question on their rules message board:

For reference, here's the text for Quake:
Mangog's power is similar to Quake in that they are both attacks that target multiple characters. In cases like this the Cosmic Entity trait allows the attack to continue but prevents the Cosmic Entity from being targeted by the attack.

I thank you for looking into this but i'm not sure.
I feel moon dragon would not be able to be targeted and since the other character never damaged an opposing character the retaliation wouldn't be able to go off.
Since he would have to target the chosen character for the attack to work.
hammers question is very similar.


DXF #059a Hammer has the following attack special power:
...That's More Like A Personal Tank: When Hammer makes a range attack targeting a single opposing character, he may also target all opposing characters adjacent to that target. When you do, modify Hammer's damage value by +1 for each hit target.


COSMIC ENTITY: Ego-Prime can't be the target of an attack with more than one target.


If Hammer targets a character with Cosmic Entity may he choose to target opposing characters adjacent to that Cosmic Entity

They said no.

Can this COSMIC ENTITY backfire? Like, if someone tries to pulse wave two characters, but one character has COSMIC ENTITY, does the pulse wave then do full damage instead of one??? Or does pulse wave immediately ignore that?

It would ignore that I think.

1. Mangog is placed "...such that he can make a close attack targeting the chosen character and all other opposing characters within 3 squares and line of fire..." (Moondragon). Placing Mangog is a part of the action that occurs before an attack is declared. The phrasing here is defining where Mangog may be placed. Since determining targets doesn't begin until the start of an attack sequence, Moondragon isn't considered a target yet.

2. "...then do so." Now the attack is declared. The first step of an attack sequence is to determine targets. Moondragon now becomes an illegal target due to her Cosmic Entity trait, but all other opposing characters remain legal targets (unless they also have some trait/power/mechanic that makes them an illegal target).

3. Resolve the rest of the action.

In this case, the entire action doesn't become invalid just because Moondragon becomes an illegal target. The action is checked against each character and resolved against all legal targets.

Mangog is placed "...such that he can make a close attack targeting the chosen character and all other opposing characters within 3 squares and line of fire..

It's this part i'm having trouble with.
When you target one you target them all.

The placing of Mangog is independent of the attack. They are separate processes within the same action. No character is being targeted when Mangog is placed. Once the attack part of the action is declared, the very first step is to determine targets. This is checked against each individual character. Some will be legal targets, others may be (or become) illegal targets. The attack sequence still continues against all legal targets.

Thanks I think you maybe right.
Though I'm still going to ask it on wizkids rule site.

The chosen character part is throwing me off.
Even though it looks for the chosen character in the attack.

It only looks for the character chosen for retaliation, the attack bit is a whole different thing.

Wouldn't that make the targets an illegal target? Or wouldn't there have to be verbage stating on the Mangog card "then do so even if it makes the targets illegal" I dunno just seems like they usually add that to the attack rules. But this would be the first time I've ever been wrong in my life.

No, because of the provided ruling on the Quake situation

I don't know if this helps?

page 5 Comprehensive Rulebook Supplement

IDK posted on wizkids rule site.
Waiting for rejection email lol.

There's another thread about this. Mangog can't do it. That's also how it was ruled at Nationals and the ROC World Cup.


edit: this one:
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=598244