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I was wondering what monsters can be revived by cards like monster reborn ect if they where summoned properly the first time and which cards can only be special summoned by their effect. Reading the text on these particular cards reguarding this always seems useless. So can someone direct me too or help compile a list of such cards?
I know thes can:
Relinqused
Black Luster Soldier EOTB
Choas Emperor Dragon EOTE
Dark Necrofear
Choas Sorcerer
How about Harpie Lady Sisters, the element removers (Rock Spirit ect), Gate Guardian, Great moth, Ultimate great moth, Zerato, Mazera, Toons, Spirit of the Pharoh, Fushioh Riche, Lava Golem, Dark Balter the Terrible, Fiend Skull Dragon, Ryu Senshi, Mirage Knight, Sorercer of Dark Magic, Blue Eyes Shining Dragon, Valkyrion the Magna Warrior, Metal Zoa, Metal Red Eyes Black Dragon, Dark Sage and any others you can think of.
Thanks for the help. What is it one should look for when deciding this in the future?
that is not true, there is a difference between the one that can and cannot, all of the Chaos Monsters can be reborned, if it has the Text "this card can only be special summoned by (insert requirement)" then it can be revived after being summon properly,
But if it says "This card cannot cannot be Special Summoned except by (insert requirement)" then it cannot, and right now there is a list that shows the older monsters that have been changed to meet this. it is up right now at the Yugioh-card.com web site
DarkChaosMage got it right. The latest errata at www.yugioh-card.com shows which monsters are "nomi" (UNrevivable). One interesting confirmation is that "Harpie Lady Sisters" are now in the "nomi" category of monsters.
So, as DCM said, a "nomi" monster will have this text:
"This monster cannot be Special Summoned except by..." (emphasis mine, of course)
All the cards from now on that are "nomi" will have that text, whereas the older monsters' texts have been to show whether or not they are "nomi" monsters.
Cool. Thanks a lot. That always confused me. Thanks for pointing out that their is a difference and a way to tell.
Edit: I looked through my sets and a few with strange wording regaurding this came up and I'd like to verify.
Fushioh Riche
Mirage Knight
Can these be revived if properly summoned?
Fushioh Richie and Mirage Knight cannot be special summoned except by the way it says on the card.
Basically to sum it up, these monster's cannot be special summoned except by certain ways (some have already been said).
Exodia Necross
Berserk Dragon
Mirage Knight
Fushioh Richie
Horus the Black Flame Dragon lv8
Armed Dragon lv7
Silent Swordsman lv7 (japanese)
XY Dragon Cannon
YZ Tank Dragon
XZ Tank Cannon
XYZ Dragon Cannon
Black Paladin (ONLY through a fusion)
Five God Dragon (japanese, same as above)
Master of Dragon Knight (jaoanese, same as above)
Theinan the Great Sphinx
Harpie Lady Sisters (recently)
Archlord Zerato
Mazera DeVille
Sorcerer of Dark Magic
Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon
Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon
Metalzoa
Spirit of the Pharoah
Great Moth
Perfectly Ultimate Great Moth
Larvae Moth
Dark Sage
Fusions special summoned via Cyber Stein, Metamorphosis, Magical Scientist, Summoner of Illusions, etc.
Spirit Monsters
Anything if Jowgen the Spiritualist is face up on the field (obviously lol)
These monsters CAN be special summoned back if special summoned properly at least once and then sent from the field to the graveyard.
Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End
Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
Chaos Sorcerer
Dark Necrofear
Aqua Spirit
Garuda the Wind Spirit
The Rock Spirit
Spirit of Flames
Gigantes
Fenrir
Inferno
Silpheed
Wall Shadow
Soul of Purity and Light
Gate Guardian
Valkyrion the Magna Warrior
Toon Monsters
The Creator (not from graveyard)
Dark Ruler Ha Des (not from graveyard)
Helpoemer (not from graveyard)
Fusion Monsters (unless stated otherwise like Black Paladin)
Rituals (unless stated otherwise, in which, there currently are none worded differentl)
I'm pretty sure I DIDN'T name all the one's in each category and I'm pretty sure some might be wrong.
And yet most of the cards you list are not on the errata page, showing that they can indeed be special summoned from the graveyard or removed from play.
Granted there are the odd scenario cards like the XYZ fusions, Berserk Dragon, Mirage Knight, but...
Gate Guardian posses nearly identical errata text to that of Metalzoa, but you list them differently.
The cards all the way back to LOB have been errated, and unless the appear on that list... they are not "nomi".
Unless they have rulings published, directing how they are to be played it is wise to not make assumptions.
Mirage Knight, Berserk Dragon, & Exodia Necross are not "nomi" monsters, but have been ruled to not be able to be "reborn". This excludes them from returning from the graveyard, not removed from play.
they have been ruled that they cannot be returned from out of play, like from Return from the Different Deminsion, but it was right after DCR's release, well, for Mirage knight and Beserk Dragon
also, not to nitpik, but technically the xyz fusions are not nomi, and if summoned properly they can be special summoned from the grave, or the removed from play area.
the only problem is that there is no possible way (at this time) to summon them properly. (as fusion monsters the only way to properly summon them is by fusion summon, but there effect prevents this) so if there was ever a card that allowed you to do a fusion summon while at the same time ignoring summoning requirement text (similar to what level up! does) and you used that to fusion summon xyz, then you could reborn it. (but who knows if that will ever happen)
No, it's been ruled that XYZ CANNOT be special summoned from the graveyard, but, fot an odd reason, CAN be special summoned from the removed from play area, so they're "half nomi" lol.
"Dimension Fusion" can Special Summon "XYZ-Dragon Cannon" if it was Special Summoned properly first.
notice the bold statement, if it was special summoned properly first. as i said yoiu must fusion summon a fusion monster in order for it to be properly summoned, but the xyz fusions texts prevent this. so despite this statement, you cannot use dimmension fusion to bring back the xyz fusions.
if you need further proof, i have an email from kevin confirming my statement. but since the email is a bit lengthy, i won't post it unless you really want proof. (don't want to clutter up the page with more lengthy posts)
notice the bold statement, if it was special summoned properly first. as i said yoiu must fusion summon a fusion monster in order for it to be properly summoned, but the xyz fusions texts prevent this. so despite this statement, you cannot use dimmension fusion to bring back the xyz fusions.
if you need further proof, i have an email from kevin confirming my statement. but since the email is a bit lengthy, i won't post it unless you really want proof. (don't want to clutter up the page with more lengthy posts)
I saw a post made by Kevin somewhere saying what I just said. Said that, despite them not being properly special summoned, they CAN be special summoned from the removed from play area...I forget which post had it though
I saw a post made by Kevin somewhere saying what I just said. Said that, despite them not being properly special summoned, they CAN be special summoned from the removed from play area...I forget which post had it though
ok, since from what i said and what halfdemon said, there would be 2 contradictory comments by kevin. the difference between them is that nobody can find halfdemon's, whereas i'll post mine right now.
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:49:51 -0000
From: "Kevin T." <[email protected]> Add to Address Book
To: "phiefer3" <[email protected]>
Subject: Message not approved: XYZ Fusions
That's one good way of looking at it, yes.
>
> in other words, are you saying that even with that statement on the
> faq, that if you summon an xyz fusion (by it effect) and its then
> removed, that you cannot dimmension fusion?
>
> and that the faq is just a "what if" incase they ever make a card
> that would let you fusion summon (properly summon) the xyzs. (kind
> of like how the faq says you can play 3 BLS and 3 BLS-Envoys just
> incase the restriction list ever changes)
>
> Eric Elo
> level 1 judge
>
> --- In [email protected], "James J."
> <whoyawithuh@g...> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah we don't get it either. But that's what the guys in Japan
> told us. We're trying to get it sorted out.
> >
> > Anyway, if you can (somehow) properly Special Summon an XYZ
> monster, then you could use Dimension Fusion.
> >
> > How you would manage to properly Special Summon it.... I dunno.
> >
> > Kevin Tewart
> > Game Developer
> > UDE Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D Lead
> > Upper Deck Entertainment
> >
> >
> >
> > > According to Msg 9293, XYZ Fusions cannot be summoned by
> Dimension
> > > Fusion. While reading the ruling from UDE's FAQ, it states
that
> > > Dimension Fusion can summon them as long as they were Special
> > > Summoned properly the first time.
> > >
> > > What makes this situation possible now? Aren't they still
> > > considered "Fusion" even though you dont use Poly or Fusion
Gate?
so as you can see, like i said, if you could actually properly fusion summon the xyz's, then they could be dimmension fusioned, but at this point its not possible to properly summon them, and so its currently not possible to dimmension fusion them. (that being said, it seems logical to say that if they were properly fusion summoned, that yoiu would also be able to revive them from the graveyard.)
EDIT: now that i think of it, the post half demon is thinking of is probably one that i had asked this too. (although my post was turned down, and so i got this as my email)