If archfiend of Gilfer is attached to my opponents monster and then I destroy that monster is archfiend of gilfer considered destroyed too?

Just curious because if so then I can equip him to my opponents monster, destroy that monster and then search for another archfiend due to pandemoniums effect.

Any help appreciated in advance

Yes, I do believe Gilfar would be destroyed since the monster its equipped to is no longer on the field. If it does work, thats an awsome idea.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but...

Neither player has to pay Life Points during the Standby Phase for Archfiend monsters. Each time a player's Archfiend > Monster Card(s) < are destroyed and sent to the Graveyard, except as a result of battle, that player can select 1 Archfiend Monster Card from his/her Deck that has a lower Level than the destroyed card and add it to his/her hand

At the time Archfiend of Gilfer is destroyed and goes to the graveyard, it's treated as an equipment Magic Card, not a monster card.

Yes, Archfiend of Gilfer would be considered destroyed as well when the equipped monster is destroyed.

Sorry, like HalfDemonInuyas posted, Archfiend of Gilfer is a Spell Card when it goes to the Graveyard, and as such cannot trigger Pandemonium's effect.

Can we get an offical ruling on this?

See I know that gilfer is an equip spell card so I guess the question is when does Pandemoniums effect resolve?

If it resolves when the monster in the graveyard then it should work since gilfer is a monster card and was destroyed by sometihng other than battle(Mst, equipped monster being destroyed etc)

If it resolves on the field then it wont work since at that time he is an equip magic card.

I checked the UDE site and they had nothing on this card and I really need to know this for the archfiend deck I plan on building

Yeah, I checked on the UDE site and RONIN, and no dice. But to extrapolate from other rulings, when Necrofear is sent to the graveyard while equipped, it is sent as an equip spell card, so it doesn't get a second revival.

Similarly, when a card such as Mystic Tomato is sucked up by Relinquished and subsequently destroyed, it is destroyed as an equip card, so it doesn't get any "destroyed as a result of battle" effects with it.

Additionally, a while ago the ruling was solidified that when a monster is destroyed as a result of battle, any equip cards equipped to it are subsequently destroyed as well, not simply sent to the graveyard. However, these equip cards are destroyed by a game mechanic, not by a card effect, so some equip cards that have "when destroyed by a card effect" text do not get their effect in this manner.

Based on these things, I believe it is safe to say that when Gilfer is sent to the graveyard while equipped to a monster destroyed in battle, there are several things working against it. 1) It is an equip card, and Pandemonium strictly states monster cards. 2) Gilfer is destroyed by a game mechanic, and not by anything else, which would circumvent Pandemonium's requirements.

Hopefully that is enough ammo to solidify the ruling made previously.

pandimonium

"niether player has to pay life points during the standby phase for archfiend monsters. each time a player's archfiend monster card(s) are destroyed and to the graveyard, except as a result of battle, that player can select 1 archfiend monster card from his/her deck that has fewer level stars than the destroyed card and add it to his/her hand."

now this doesn't look good over all for the archfiend drawing engine ( lots of signs are pointing against it) but heres my thoughts...

the text tells me that yes, pandimonium activates when the archfiend monster hits the graveyard. if say, some one played lesser fiend and attaked my terrorking, i would not get pandimonium's effect because upon kings destruction king is removed from play.

in gilfer's case yes, it was an equip card but upon hitting the graveyard it is monster. my point is its an equip until the moment it is destroyed. a spell card is still a spell card after destruction. but gilfer, necro and relinquished's equipped card are monsters upon hitting the graveyard. so in my opinion i would say yes, gilfer would activate pandimonium. unlike the other cards that were givin as an example, pandimonium is not the card being destroyed and the only exception is as a result of battle, not game mechanic. so it shouldn't matter how the card was destroyed ( mst, eqipped monster) its not as a result of battle and its still a monster in the graveyard.

remember, it doesn't matter if gilfer is destroyed, discarded or sent, it still activates. i think pandimonium should work under the same type of premise.

No you cannot search, because Pandemonium only takes in consideration what Type the card was when it was destroyed on the field.

While there is no direct ruling, one example that could be used is Phoenix.

So Gilfer would not be considered a "Monster Card" when destroyed and thus would not "Trigger" Pandemonium's effect.

The effect of Pandemonium does apply after the monster enters the Graveyard, but it bases the Type on what the card was when it was destroyed (and also checks how, because it will not work if the card was destroyed in battle).

Sending the card to the Graveyard is simply another condition for the effect to work. It doesn't matter what the Card Type is when it is in the Graveyard.

As a general idea, cards always revert back to their original Type (ie. Monster, Spell, Trap) when they enter the Graveyard (unless an effect changes that).

In the end, Gilfer destroyed as an Equip Spell Card, will not "Trigger" Pandemonium.

*sigh* well thats a bummer, i was hoping.

so for future situations with future cards, the official ruling is thus...

a monster card that has an effect of returning to the field as an equip spell or trap (future cards?), or is turned into a spell/trap by the effect of another card reamins a spell/trap until it enters the gravyard, NOT until destruction.

judges, am i correct with this statment of game mechanics? the lack of this official statment seems to be the cause of this tread.

provided this is a correct statment, would said card remain a s/t if it was removed from play, or would it return to its original monster state?