Ok, Lord dragun is face up on the field as well as dual blue eyes, opponent summons tribe and declares dragon to destroy all dragons face up on the field, is this legal? Shouldnt Lord Dragun stop this because you are targeting all dragons on the field?

Tribes effect DOES NOT TARGET......... so this IS LEGAL.......... hope this helps

You have to declare a type to activate tribes effect, can you tell me how this is not targeting? I assume it would be because you directly name, or target the type you want to destroy.

You are not targeting because your not choosing what monster to destroy, you're just calling out a specific type and all monsters that fit that description are gonna be destroyed.

Declare does not equal target.

When you target something, you pick it specifically. Such as Call of the Haunted in which you specifically designate the target you wish for CotH. You cannot target the creature type 'Dragons' with CotH and bring all creature types of 'Dragons' back from your graveyard. Targetting generally implies a single specific focus rather than a broad range of applicable focuses. Tribe Infecting Virus will destroy all face up creatures of the declared type, you get to pick which creature rather the catagory of creature type.

When you declare you name something, but it is often not specific. Vampire Lord allows you to declare a card type in your opponents deck which they have to search out a legal target and discard it if possible.

Here is a general rule of thumb. It works most of the time as a general guide to what is targeting and what is not.

When you activate an effect that you are not sure if it targets or not:
1) Does the affected monster(s) get decided at activation or resolution? If at resolution, it doesn't target. Stop here. If at activation, go to number 2. (Fissure, Smashing Ground and Creature Swap are examples of effects that decide at resolution)

2) If, when you activate the effect, you can add in the specific monster name (if going after a monster, for example), then it targets. "I use my XXXXX card on your Blue Eyes White Dragon"

3) If, when you activate the card, you're trying to destroy a specific monster, but the card doesn't realize it's only one monster when it's activated, then it doesn't target. A good example is Tribe Infecting Virus. Even though you might be declaring "DRAGON" in order to destroy their Blue Eyes White Dragon, Tribe "doesn't know" that you're going for their Blue Eyes only, even if it's their only monster. All Tribe knows is "ok, must kill all dragons, must kill all dragons, must kill all dragons...." Another example is Lightning Vortex: "Must kill all face up monsters, must kill all face up monsters..." :) Nowhere in either of those two cards do the cards THEMSELVES know that the only thing it will destroy is one Blue Eyes White Dragon. The card itself doesn't know and it doesn't care. It's going after EVERYTHING that fits the more general description.


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