If my monster attacks, then he responds with Mirror Force. Can he activate Drain Sheild and Magical Cylinder after that?

Player A: Declares an attack
Player B: Activates Mirror Force
Player A: Doesn't respond
Player B: Activates Drain Sheild
Player A: Doesn't respond
Player B: Activates Magical Cylinder


He argued that it was legitimate and we proceeded to resolve the chain.

Player A: Loses the attacking monster's Attack
Player B: Gains the attacking monster's Attack
Player A: Destroys all attack positioned monsters

Was he right?

Even though the Magic Cylinder negates the attack initially It will not prevent the draining shield or the mirror force from resolving (they just won't negate the attack since magic cyllinder did that)

The chain is legal

I think that the chain is legal, the only issue here is that you are negating the attack twice, one time by the Magic Cylinder and the other one by the Draining Shield effect, and since your opponent declared an attack, all the Attack Position monsters on his/her side of the field are destroyed by the effect of Mirror Force.

They still negate the attack....

Arrivederci!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I though there is a timing issue consider here. If Mirror Force is activated in response to an attack, then Magic Cylinder cannot activate because the condition for it to be activated in the first place is in a response to an attack. Same goes for Draining Shield. However if you tried to activate Magic Cylinder/Draining Shield, after Mirror Force, then you would be doing it in response to Mirror Force, not the attack, which would be illegal, right?

I see why you all would agree because at the point of activation of Mirror Force, the opponent is still declaring an attack and all three cards are in response to an attack, but I can't see how all the cards can activate when they are chained to each other.

I think the4x8 is correct. I think that you can't chain Magic Cylinder or draining shield to mirror force because those cards need to be chained to an attack, not to another trap card.

that is not correct, you can chain these cards to each other, none of them are counter traps, and only counter traps have to fallow the act they say, with normal traps it only has to happen, so if your opponates attacks it fulfiles the requirements and sence non of these cards has to directly fallow the act they can be placed in a chain

chain
player one declares attack
player two chains mirror force
player one does nothing
player two chains draining shield
player one does nothing
player two chains magic cyclinder

resolves
magic cylinder reduces player one's life points
draining shield increases player twos life points
mirror force destoryes all player ones attack position monsters

because these are not counter traps cards they can be chained off each other as long as the requirement was fullfiled (this was stated a while back when the ruling was made several trap cards could be chained for one attack) if you wish you could chain three draining shield off each other from one attack or mirror force magic cylinder and three draining shields, as long as the attack happened (as per requirement for the cards)

Yup, just too give support and clear a bit more this case this is a completely LEGAL chain.......... all 3 cards were activated in response to the attack............ Hinky and DarkChaos got it right...

The chain is correct for the following reasons.

1) Upon activation the requirement to activate was legal. An attack was announced.

2) They are all the same spell speed.

3) The resolution is correct even though Magical Cylnder negates the attack there was still a declartion of an attack. So they still take the damage. They gain life from Draining shield because the attack was legal, and Mirror Force kills all monster in attack mode due to the fact the monster is still in attack position. (even though the attack was negated it was still legal and the activation was legal to steal a VS term)

WOW! Thanx guys!

This is what I understand it as:

Attacks do not have a spell speed and are considered as an action. Similar to summoning a monster.

Player A: Sacred Phoenix is summoned during his Standby Phase by it's own effect
Player B: Responds with Bottomless Trap Hole
Player A: Chains Torrential Tribute (So that Sacred Phoenix may return again)
Neither player respondes

Torrential Tribute doestroys all the monsters on the field
Bottomless Trap Hole loses it's target and is nullified.

I wonder if this is because the action of summoning a monster has no spell speed. If this is true then I guess the same would be true for other instances. i.e. Drawing, Entering and leaving phases, etc.

In conclusion, thanx to everyone who said what I was thinking and answering all my questions. :)

Look at it this way.

There are two kinds of ways to place card effects into the stack. One is by chaining to an activation, and another is responding to an action or an effect. Effects and actions are anything that have no spell speed, as only an activation has a spell speed. Things as such will influance the triggers of every card in the chain, so long as the first was responding to this action or effect.

Joe draws a card, and he wants to use raigeki break to destroy his phoenix so it will return in his standby phase. Sence he is the turn player, he is allowed to place the first activation on the chain and responds to his draw with Raigeki Break, discarding his sinister serpent and targeting Phoenix. Jim sees an opportunity to empty his opponent's hand and chains to raigeki break with Drop Off. Sence Joe responded to his drawing of the card with Raigeki Break, the whole chain becomes a response to that draw, and the only other card Joe had is targeted by drop off.

>Joe draws<
-1) Raigeki Break
-2) Drop Off

Drop off will discard the card Joe drew, which was sangan, to the graveyard, and then Raigeki Break will destroy sacred phoenix.

Here are a list of things that have no spell speed, and will influance a chain:
Summoning a monster
The last card to resolve in a chain (think: missing the timing)
drawing a card in the draw phase
ending a phase
attacking
chainging possition