1. silvaas effect: if my opponent only has one card in their hand does it activate? It does not say up to 2 like gold does so I'm guessing no.

2. Dark deal: If my opponent activates a card can I activate dark deal if I have no cards in my hand?


any help appreciated in advance

Hi ryu991 !!

Ok to answer your questions:

1) For Sillva, here's the ruling: "If this card is discarded from your hand by the opponent's card effect, and they only have 1 card in their hand, then you still can Special Summon "Sillva, Warlord of Dark World", but the other part of the effect will not resolve because the opponent does not have 2 cards to select.


2) For Dark Deal, here's the ruling: "You cannot activate this card if you have 0 cards in your hand. "

Ok, I hope that helps you out. Happy dueling !!!

Yeah...

1. No

2. No.


Why??

Rulings
Also see rulings for "Dark World Monsters".


If this card is discarded from your hand by the opponent's card effect, and they only have 1 card in their hand, then you still can Special Summon "Sillva, Warlord of Dark World", but the other part of the effect will not resolve because the opponent does not have 2 cards to select.


"Sillva, Warlord of Dark World" must be Special Summoned to resolve the second part of his effect. If you cannot Summon him because you activated "Scapegoat" that turn, or your Monster Card Zones are full, then the second part of his effect does not resolve.


If the Special Summon of "Sillva, Warlord of Dark World" is negated with "Royal Oppression", the second part of his effect does not resolve.


If "Sillva, Warlord of Dark World" is discarded by your opponent's card effect, when his effect resolves, he is Special Summoned first, and then the second part of his effect resolves. So the opponent cannot activate "Bottomless Trap Hole" or "Torrential Tribute"; the timing is no longer correct. Also, you could not draw a card for the effect of "Card of Safe Return".


2.

Rulings
The text "Your opponent discards 1 random card" is read from the perspective of the Normal Spell Card's activator. So the player who activates "Dark Deal" is the player who discards a card.


This card must be chained directly to the Normal Spell Card. If another card is chained directly to the Normal Spell Card, you cannot activate "Dark Deal".


You cannot activate this card if you have 0 cards in your hand. If an effect is chained to make you discard all the cards in your hand, the effect of the opponent's Normal Spell Card still changes, but does nothing since you have 0 cards in your hand.


This card can be chained to "Swords of Revealing Light" like any other Normal Spell Card, and "Swords of Revealing Light" will not stay on the field.


If the opponent activates a Normal Spell Card that targets, when you chain "Dark Deal", the card no longer targets. If the Normal Spell Card originally targeted "Spirit Reaper", the "Spirit Reaper" would not be destroyed.

1. the effect will not activate for sillva if your opponent doesn't have two cards in their hand.


2. you could only activate dark deal if your opponent activates a normal spell card.

If "Sillva (or Goldd), Warlord of Dark World" is discarded by your opponent's card effect, when his effect resolves, he is Special Summoned first, and then the second part of his effect resolves. So the opponent cannot activate "Bottomless Trap Hole" or "Torrential Tribute"; the timing is no longer correct. Also, you could not draw a card for the effect of "Card of Safe Return".


Does this mean that Card of Safe Return will not work on ANY Dark World monsters???

Read the rule more closely....

It only doesn't work if it's discard and activates its effect by your OPPONENT'S card effect...

I believe Card of Safe Return will still work if YOU discard it though...

Ah ha, I get it now. Since it's a two part effect Card of Safe Return misses its timming, correct?

Well...it's more like Card of Safe Return misses the timing for its effect to be used...

HDI, i'd like your opinion on this, but to me that ruling doesn't make sense.

even though the second effect automatically triggers after the special summon, shouldnt it make sense that you could chain BTH/TT etc. to their second effect. since the general rule of thumb for things like BTH/TT is that they could be used anywhere in the "response" chain, in other words the chain immediatly afterwards (unless both players choose not to respond)

i mean you can BTH/TT the sacred phoenix when it special summons itself by chaining to its effect of destroying spells/traps so what makes this different?

I suppose it's one of those MANY questions where the answer is simply..."cause Konami said so"

(also cause, apparently, yugioh-card.com is having some server trouble so I can't look up all the Dark Realm rulings)

and it seemed like the solidifying game mechanics like priority/segoc, etc. were starting to eliminate all those "konami said so" rulings (or at least put a solid reason behind said rulings)

and now they go and throw more of them out there.

Well...I'll be able to look it up...if the site will ever get back up again.....x_x

Luckily just the front page for the UDE Yu-Gi-Oh site is down, you can still get in the back door if you have the URLs in your History. That being said:

The only time you can't Bottomless a Goldd or Sillva is when it is discarded by your opponent's card effect because the thing you'll be able to respond to is the last link in the chain, Goldd and Sillva's destruction effects.

So UDE is not going back on any of their old rulings. This actually shows how they are staying inline with the current rulings.

den frenzy, that doesn't explain anything.

we already knew that ruling, the point i was making is that the ruling doesn't make sense.
for example:

player A activates confiscation and chooses to discard goldd
confiscation would resolve and goldd would be discarded and trigger his effect

goldd is special summoned, and his other effect triggers
now technically speaking this is the "response chain" afte the summon and i should be able to chain TT/BTH to the extra effect of goldd

just like if it was the sacred phoenix, being special summoned by its effect in the standby phase.

the phoenix would be special summoned, and its extra effect would trigger
i can chain BTH to the "heavy storm" effect of the phoenix, and i should be able to do the same to goldd
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no matter how they try to explain this, it will not make sense.

they could try to say the extra effect cannot be chained to. but that would make it act like a continuous effect that would occur as soon as it was special summoned, in which case you would still be able to respond to the summon.

they could say the 2 effects of goldd trigger simultaneously, and therefore you can't chain BTH to the effect because it wasn't special summoned yet. but still that would mean that after that chain resolved you would still be able to respond to the summon after the current chain ended.

So basically, the only way around Goldd and Sillva's multi trigger effect explosion is to negate their summing entirely. With Solumn Jugdement and Horn of Heaven, for example (or a face up End of Anubis :))