If a fig is on elevated terrian but is not on the edge of the elevated terrian (in the middle of a roof top) and is also soaring, can they be seen by grouned characters?
thank you

A good question, and one that I do not have a definitive answer for. But I will answer as best I can....


My gut says: Soaring figures are "hight above the battlefield", and as such, are not affected by terrain. As such, I would say that the soaring figure in you example can be targeted by a grounded figure as if the elevated terrain was not there.


However, I see no provision about elevated terrain or other intervening characters not blocking LOF, so I can see an arguement for the other way around.


Maybe one of our judges have a more definitive answer for us, or can bring this question to the higher powers for a clarification.....


Sorry I wasn't much help here.....

Wow, that is a tough one. I think HeroComplex needs to take us to school on this one, but if I was running a tourney I'd have to agree with what Psylockeslover said:

"My gut says: Soaring figures are "high above the battlefield", and as such, are not affected by terrain. As such, I would say that the soaring figure in you example can be targeted by a grounded figure as if the elevated terrain was not there."

'Course, we could be wrong.

Thanks, I'll go with those answers now, hopefully we can get a definate answer,

Would the same go if the soaring was behind a building(If there was a building between the soaring fig and the grounded fig)?

Have to say I dont know for sure but I would go with Psylockeslover answer.

I asked something similar when dealing with soaring figures, hindering terrain and Batman Ally TA.

In the end, in this particular case, I was told that when a non-soarer is attacking a soaring figure it is affected by all terrain as if the soarer where in the ground, and his range would be reduced by half.

I believe that that response would also apply in this case, but the rules are VERY fuzzy on these soaring matters.

I agree with Netdragon's interpretation. It ties into the Sentinel rules, since they exist at all elevations. If you want something in black and white, that's where you'll find it.

If you take the rules literally, then just about anything will block LOF to a soaring figure - grounded figures, blocking terrain, whatever. In the case in point, you can't see the soaring figure from the ground because the blocking terrain which marks the edge of the elevated terrain would block the LOF. The same would be true if the soaring figure was at the edge of the elevated terrain. If it came down so that it was hovering above the building edge then, paradoxically, you could now see it from the ground because it would now be elevated rtaher than soaring and rules cover that case.

The changes made in IndyClix indicate that they are trying to make the LOF rules correspond to common sense but they haven't covered all the possible permutations of grounded, elevated and soaring, let alone Sentinels. To get a sensible result you have to supplement the rules with common sense.

Andrew

The Big-fig rules have not been re-written yet (or, not released yet), so we do not know for absolute certainty that all the rules will remain the same, especially the LOS rules.

Pg. 15 of the DC rulebook says "Soaring: .... Reduce the attacker's range by half, and blocking terrain will block the attack" Buildings/Blocking terrain will block LOF/S to soaring, just like to elevated, provided they are not on the edge.

Kevin187, thats the old rules and not the new rules.

Ewwww old rules!

Here is the new rules for targeting Soaring figures. Page 14 of the indy rule book:
Note that it makes absolutely no mention of any terrain on targeting. Weither this is an intentional ommision, or mearly an oversight is the true question.......

Under Range Combat

Ok as my new point. No where in the rules does it give an exception to firing at Soaring characters.

So we must follow the rule above. So Soaring Characters LOF is blocked by Blocking Terrain.

Hello all,

I asked Dr. Gandalf this question a couple weeks back on the wizkids judeges forum. He said that this issue brought up some interesting points and other soaring issues he had as well. He was hoping to get to the game designers to get their point of view on this matter

that is all I have for now
wes

The question I had was could someone on 1 elevated rooftop target a Soaring figure in the middle of another rooftop? Of course he should be able , but is he??