Over dragon can attack a number of monsters equal to the number of masters used to summon him. SO does that mean that he can only attack monsters and not life points directly?

For example. You use 5 monsters to fusion summon Over dragon and your upponent has 5 monsters on his side of the fealed. Can Over dragon only attack the five monsters or can he attack the 5 monsters and the upponents life points (In other words does he attack for the fussion monsters and have an original attack?)

Also If you where to use difusion on him then could you bring back any maxhine monster used to fuse him because it says (Cyber dragon-1 or more machine tipe monster)?

1. This belongs in the Rules of Dueling forum in the JAPANESE Forum.


2. You can ONLY attack multiples times if you attack monsters...JUST like Asura Priest and other similar multi-attacking monsters, if you attack a monster(s) first, you cannot attack directly and vice versa.

So in your scenario, you could attack all 5 monsters (EACH attack resolving separately), but NOT attack directly after.


3. We have to actually wait for more rules...the ONLY confirmed rules right now are...(japanese)

POTD-JP034 Chimeratech Over Dragon
- Fusion subs cannot be used for the Fusion Summon of this card, unless it's a Machine itself
- You can fuse this card with as many monsters you want, as long as they're Machines
- You can attack the same monster more than once (if it's not destroyed), as long as it's not "over the limit".

So there is nothing about using De-Fusion, but I would assume that you could Special Summon some of them back, assuming you have available space for them....but I'm only ASSUMING, so there is nothing official right now...

And yes...right now, Chimeratech Over Dragon's original ATK and DEF is equal to the number of Fusion Material Monsters used to Fusion Summon it. Though, unless the Japanese release a rule saying otherwise, then if it were to leave the field temporarily and return (like Interdimensional Matter Transporter), then the ATK and DEF gets reset to 0. (or if Skill Drain is used)

Hold on does that mean if thee are know monsters o your uponents side of the feald then over dragon could still attack one time or am I mesinterpriting what you are saying>>

You're completely misinterpreting...

"2. You can ONLY attack multiples times if you attack monsters...JUST like Asura Priest and other similar multi-attacking monsters, if you attack a monster(s) first, you cannot attack directly and vice versa.

So in your scenario, you could attack all 5 monsters (EACH attack resolving separately), but NOT attack directly after. "

On The First Line, I Assume That's Refering To The "Second" Fusion Material Requirement.

You Should Still Be Able To Use A Fusion Sub To Replace The Required Cyber Dragon.

Most likely, but I wouldn't assume anything (at least not with 100% certainty) until it actually comes out with more rules and such.

But what if my apponent has know monsters on the field originaly and I have over dragon. Because he has know monsters on the field does that mean I cant attack at all?

It's...like...Asura Priest....with multiple attacking....

UDE/Netrep

""Asura Priest" may attack directly if it has not already attacked a monster this turn."

Ok to rap things up here is a scinario.

Over dragon is on my side of the field with 4000 attack points (% monsters u8sed to summon him). My apponents field is empty and I have not attacked at all yet. I attack with Over dragon 1 time because I am useing a regular attack without his ability and win the duel. :knockedou

Cept the opponent will, more than likely, have a field to use against you while you have absolutely nothing on your field

True :p I will be shore to use heavy storm before hand then ;) Thanks for the help :classic:

Of course...it's not like it'll always be there exactly when you need it...

uh, not that i know anything about japanese cards or anything, but here's my 2 cents on de-fusion.

from the rulings we have for de-fusion, you always bring back the exact monsters used for the fusion summon. and you must have all the monsters used for the fusion still in your graveyard. otherwise you don't summon anything.

which is aparent from the text for de-fusion: "Return 1 Fusion Monster on the field to the Fusion Deck. In addition, if all the Fusion Material Monsters that were used for the Fusion Summon of that Fusion Monster are in your Graveyard, you can Special Summon them all to the field."

so it doesn't matter what is printed as the material monsters on the fusion monster, what matters is what monsters were used in the fusion summon.

although given the ruling that if you used proto cyber dragon to fuse cybertwin/end that you can't summon proto cyber with de-fusion (this doesn't make sense, since its the card that was used, unless de-fusion wants to look at the names of the cards when the fusion took place and not at the cards themselves, i don't know)

also, i'm not sure about the "all or none" rule for defusion, as it applies to you not having room for all of them, if you can summon some since they are all in the graveyard, or if you can't summon any since you can't summon them all.

Yeah...you do...but I think the question is asking if you can bring back any Machine-Type monsters you use for the Fusion Summon until you fill in every available space or if you couldn't because, well, unless you only used a small number of Machines, you would be unable to Special Summon them ALL back (like using Future Fusion and ditching like...20+ Machine-Types and Cyber Dragon).

I can't really grant an answer for something like that since there hasn't been such a Fusion Card yet until now.

heh, my edit kinda goes to what you just said, since like i said i don't know anything about this card 'cept what you all say, so i didn't know it was possible to fuse that many (although i should since you could fuse up to 5 on the field and who knows how many are in your hand......)

but i mainly meant that you wouldn't be able to summon any machine with desfusion, only machines that were used to fuse this thing.

as for if you fused more than 5 monsters, like i said in my edit, no clue how the "all or none" rule applies to not having enough free monster zones. in my own honest opinion, i would think that you would be able to summon as many until you filled your monster zones, assuming that all the fusion materials are still in your grave.

i think this way mainly because i believe the all or none rule just meant that they all had to still be in the grave or you couldn't summon any. but then again, who knows?

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also, it has been possible for this situation to occur before, for example if i had black skull dragon and 4 other monsters and i used defusion, i'd only have 1 open space and 2 monsters to summon. but don't know what would happen.