ok so i Summon a Thestalos and hit a gold....can my opponent activate bottomless trap hole.....or must he activate the bottomless before the goldd hits the field?

EX: Player 1 summons Thestalos
Player 2 Activates Bottomless Trap Hole
Player 1 Discards Goldd

what is the proper order theseevents go in?

You must be forgetting that Thestalos Effect starts a chain. If he waits to play Bottomless Trap Hole after his effect resolves, isnt it already too late to use it?

Doesn't Thestalos get Priorty once he hits the Field? If so, you would be able to discard vis it's effect and Goldd would hit the field in the end and Thestalos would be RFP.

I know that;s not a very Technical explanation but I think it;s true.

Again, what part of "priority to activate" an effect, not being "priority to resolve" an effect, is hard to understand?

You still must resolve his effect just like anything else, and resolving his effect is when Goldd is discarded.

So Thestalos would already have been removed from play before Goldd hits the Graveyard.

P.S. I know it gets old, but Monsters don't have priority. Players do.

monsters dont get priority,only the players..if bottomless traphole is chained to thestalos' effect then thestalos will be rfp and then the effect of thestalos will resolve since it is not negated so if goldd is discarded,inflict damage and then special summon goldd...

Just to clarify....

You dont "choose a target" when his effect activates. The card is selected at resolution, not activation.

ok thanx 4 all ur help

Well you know what I mean.

Well continuing the discussion a little more but also aboput Goldd but also DW in general;
If my opponent use Graceful Charity to discard Goldd/Sillva and Broww, which efect comes first and will broww's effect resolve even after speacil summouning Goldd/Sillva to the field?

Also in this scenario, will I (the opposing player) be able to chain bottomless/torrential tribute?

yes this works but i dont think u can do it with card D or morphing jar because of the timing

Gather 'round children, I'm about to teach you three the finer points of how Dark World monsters work with chains.

First, I'd like to say that the latter half of Dark Duelist82's answer is correct only to a certain extent.

Here's why:

I play G. Charity and discard Goldd and Broww, since they were discarded by an effect they will form a chain (dark duelist is correct on this) with the order of your choosing. The opponent will be able to use Torrential Tribute/Bottomless Trap Hole ONLY if Goldd is placed first on the chain, if Broww is placed first then Torrential/BTH can not be activated.

Think about it, with Goldd on the chain first the last thing to happen in that chain would be the summon of a monster; if Broww were to be placed on the chain first then the last thing to resolve in that chain would be the drawing of a card (that's what Broww does after all).

So it really matters how you form the chain with these guys.

As for ih0tfirei's answer, Dark World monsters can NOT miss the timing. The only time the effect of a Dark World monster is not activated by discarding is if the discard is a cost and is not a part of the effect. Both Card Destruction and Morphing Jar have effects that discard, so Dark World monsters will still trigger as normal.

Questions?

Exactly. You discard Goldd and Broww. You then choose Broww as chain link one, and Goldd as chain link 2. Now it resolves. Goldd is special summoned, then you draw one card for Broww. Now it's too late to Torrential or Bottomless.


SO, I have a question that just came up and didn't sound right at all to me. I was told that Bottomless Trap hole will destroy everything that is summoned on a chain. I know if they are summoned at the same time like Return, but say I play Pre targeting Zaborg, then chain Call to Pre targeting Thestalos. I was told my opponent can now play Bottomless and it will remove both monsters from play instead of just the last one. Is that correct or were they wrong? They said it was a new ruling for bottomless.
Another example would be if I play Card D and discard 2 Goldds and 2 Sillvas. They go on a chain one at a time, can they chain bottomless at the end of the chain to destroy all of them?

frostbyte3964...

If multiple monsters are summoned in a chain, only the last monster summoned (if chain link one) would be considered bait for Bottomless Trap Hole. This is from the FAQs:

If the opponent activates "Monster Reborn" and then chains "Call of the Haunted" (so that 2 monsters are Summoned in the same chain), and then you activate "Bottomless Trap Hole" after that chain resolves only the monster Summoned by chain link 1 ("Monster Reborn") is removed from play.