This question has come up and I can't seem to find anything specific on it so I figured I'd ask the people on the realms.

I have a VTOL at NOE and my opponent has an AA vehicle. I move up and hide behind some blocking terrain. Can he fire on my VTOL at the double range without a line of sight via the indirect fire rule?

Thanks for any input on this one.

An AA piece gets double its range vs. Speed mode VTOL. That is the same whether the VTOL is at NOE or cruising.

Makes the SH Aesir and the the other AP AA even more powerful. Look I can indirect you at 24-32" with AP and even your ROTS Balac will fear me. And yes I do know the SH Aesir has SU AP, but that wouldn't be near enough consolation for losing the best clicks on my Balac.

This is why Electronic Camo. on VTOLs is actually somewhat useful

Another thing about Indirect fire. When making an indirect ranged combat attack, you deal your primary damage up to a maximum of 2 damage... or at least that's what it said in the old rule book. I'll have to look it up later in the new one

AA is still double range versus a VTOL even if the VTOL is at NOE and behind blocking. It is treated as indirect fire (unless you have the SW AA vehicle with streaks), defender gets +3 to the defense, and max of 2 damage.

I used the SH Aesir last night. VTOLs are toast anywhere on the board.

yeah i have the SH Aesir. It pretty much makes VTOLs useless in the game

I wouldn't say it makes them useless. Your only doing 2 clicks at best (none on the RoTS Balac unless you use the single use AP).

I'm simply going to use a repair vehicle as most of the good VTOL's/Donars need to take 4+ clicks before they have a repair marker. RoTS Balac doesn't even have a repair marker.

Though you'll have to use them very carefully. No more VTOL swarms anyways. I'm still going to use at least 1. They are too versatile with their move and shoot ability to just dump entirely and not everyone is going to own a SH Aesir.

I have not gotten a chance to use the Aesir yet. I face a guy that plays 3 SS Balacs all the time. Is it necessary to go one for one on the AA defense units, or would 2 Aesirs be enough to end the terror? And are the other Aesirs (non SH) any good? Are the MHI AA any good? The only time I even came close to scaring this guy was when I played 3 DF Partisans and Daani. I still lost. but I chalk it up to being a newbie.

A couple of the Big SS MHI Defence can put the fear of god into a Balac, they can outrange them and can just about eliminate one in a single hit.

But as far as Balacs go the SS Aesir and the HL ones 8 attack is sufficient to hit the Balacs frail defence.

The SH Aesir starts with 3-damage (SU AP) with a 9-attack (IT). Enough damage to keep the VTOLs from their best clicks.

If you are facing a VTOL swarm, I would use the SH Aesir and back it up with a SS MHI AA. The Aesir could be used to reach out and crack the tough VTOLs then the SS MHI with its 4 AP damage could then be used to finish them off.

I meant by keeping it at NOE/behind blocking terrain as you move your forces up and forcing the opponent to use indirect fire (hence 2 damage).

With a defense of 22-23 due to indirect fire even the SH Aesir with its IT isn't guaranteed an auto hit. I like those odds for my lone repairable Balac or Donar.

I think that if any vtol is at noe then AAs can't shoot at double range. Makes sense dosn't it? Same with behind blocking terain. Cant see it, Cant shoot it. get my drift?

::chuckles;: you see.. the best thing was at Origins....


I had a mech and a VTOL behind blocking right next to each other.. and the AA gun could indirect one, and not the other :->

Iron, read the rules, and the FAQs, there's nothing stating that AA vehicles do NOT have double range vs VTOLs under any circumstances, not witholding special rules for certain events