If I have a Hypnotic Charms flipped and characters in my Ko'd Pile, will this allow me to play a character with loyalty when I don't control a character with the same affiliation? I know that Clone Saga and the like will allow this, but Hypnotic Charms isn't a team up in the hand.

Thanks for the Info.

No!

When you fulfill Loyalty, you have to check to make sure that the Loyal character shares an affiliation with a character in play. So, with Clone Saga, you recruit Garth. Garth is a Titan and Spider-Friends. You check your field, where you control Ra's Al Ghul. Ra's is League and Spider-Friends. Both characters are Spider-Friends. Garth's Loyalty is met.

Now, with Hypnotic Charms, Hypnotic Charms only affects character cards in play and in the KO'd pile. So, you recruit Garth. Garth is a Titan. You check your field. You have a Morbius in your KO'd pile and a Ra's in play. Ra's has League and Underworld affiliations. Garth has only Titans. Now, if you had used Optitron earlier in the game OR Steel Wind, to get a Titan into your KO'd pile. Garth's loyalry would be met. But you have to understand that those character cards in hand ONLY have their printed affiliation.

Cool. I thought that was the case. I just wasn't sure when loyalty was checked. If it's checked in the hand I'll have to go back to the drawing board.

Thanks alot.

It's checked during recruitment. A character is not officially in play until the recruit effect is resolved. So, it's not completely correct to say that Loyalty is checked in hand. However, that is a good way to think of it.

Hmmm... not too sure when is loyalty activated. Can anyone quote me something from the CR?

Quote

Loyalty is a keyword that represents a continuous power that functions in any zone the character card can be recruited from, normally the hand zone. The keyword "Loyalty" means "Recruit this card only if you control a character that shares at least one team affiliation with this card."

So loyalty is "active" all the time.. you can't even try to recruit a character unless you fulfill the conditions of loyalty.

Technically, if you miss the loyalty and try to recruit the character anyways, rule 505.2 (the rule for rewinding when trying to play an illegal effect) makes you rewind the game to before you tried to recruit the character.

That is not what I was asking. I am asking when do you check for loyalty during recruit?

Like uniqueness is checked after the recruit effect.

Loyalty is a play restriction. It is checked before you even try to announce the rectruitment effect.

Uniqueness is checked as part of resolving a recruit effect.

How would you explain Kang? Kang by right is unique but the text in the textbox makes it not unique. So, if the recruit effect has not resolve, wouldn't the textbox's text not be 'switched on'?

Really Luffy, make the effort to read the Comprehensive Rules at least once...