I way playing with a friend the other day and he pulled a Tower of Babel and Betrayal combo on me. He says the texts has "unless they share one" and they don't have any, thus are stunned. Can somebody explain this to me? Is he right? Thanks in advance.

Target player stuns a non-stunned character he controls, unless all characters he controls that have team affiliations share a single team affiliation.

But since ur opponet use Tower of Babel, in ur Attack Step u dont control any afilliation(so all characters share the NO AFFILIATION).... so Betrayal is USELESS

"Target player stuns a non-stunned character he controls, unless all characters he controls that have team affiliations share a single team affiliation."

This is the current Betrayal text from Vsed., which I'm pretty sure is accurate. This also supercedes the confusing text on the card. I think that you have to stun a character, because you have no team affiliations.

you don't get to stun any because you do not share any affiliation because ToB makes you lose all affiliations unless you have an LOA affiliation

it says, "unless all characters he controls that have a team affiliation..."

TOB makes you lose all affiliations unless you have LOA, so in effect, all his characters become non-affiliated during his attack step

Whilst the text from Vsed for Betrayal is current, the most up-to-date (and the only authoritative) card text for all cards can always be found at ude.com/rules, under the Official Card Reference.

quote:
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Betrayal
Plot Twist, 2
Target player stuns a non-stunned character he controls, unless all affiliated characters he controls share a single team affiliation.
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If you are playing lets say an Avengers deck, and it is your attack step, and your opponent plays Betrayal, then chains TOB so that you have no team affiliations, according to this text, you would stun a character you control. You do not have any affiliated characters during that attack step, so you must stun a character you control.

http://www.vsrealms.com/forum/showth...light=betrayal


http://www.vsrealms.com/forum/showth...light=betrayal

http://www.vsrealms.com/forum/showth...light=betrayal


http://www.vsrealms.com/forum/showth...light=betrayal

The thing to stress here is that Betrayal requires AFFILIATED Characters. Tower of Bable gets rid of the Affiliations, therefore negating the Betrayal. I could see how you would think that it triggers without ANY affiliated characters, but to my knowledge that is not the case.

And if it is, it's a little unreasonable. I mean, Mojo needs all the love he can get. ;)

Edit: And once again, Mr. Holmes shows the mastery of the Search option that we, the unwashed masses have yet to attain. ;) I never would have though to do that. Good work.

If this wording of the card is accurate, then UDE is not being fair if they say it shouldnt work on unaffiliated decks. Just read it. Its like saying that if you need to show me A or get punished, and you had A but now it does not exist, you dont get punished because you dont show me anything at all, even though I said I would punish you if you did not show me A.

If I had to make a judge ruling, I'd say stun it.

Watchmen: Under the first link, the concensus is that Betrayal checks for Affiliated Characters. Upon seeing none, it simply fails to resolve. Or at least that's how I read it.

I believe that its targeting a player to reveal a condition, and if he does not, then the stun happens. He has no affiliated characters, so he must stun A character.

WATCHMEN12: Just check the 4 links that i post...

I did not see that extra little thing from Zaxx. Thank you Mr. Holmes. I still think that this terribly neuters the card and that it should be reworded, and I really think UDE hurts DC teams that rely on tricks like this a little too much sometimes as well. If people want to start seeing more DC decks in the top 8's, UDE's gotta give 'em some breathing room.

Although people are telling me otherwise, I'm still a little confused about this. Not to be a hard-ass, but I'm gonna check UDE out before I make my official take on the card.