This might be a retarded idea for a thread. I might be making excuses for no reason, who knows?

Has anyone else noticed that a foil card usually works better than a non-foil? Call me superstitious, crazy, what have you. But to me it seems like a foil card knows how to get things done more efficiently. And on the opposite side of the spectrum a proxy card right out sucks.

I realize there is absolutely no difference between playing a proxy of a Savage Beatdown (In casual of course) and playing a foil Savage Beatdown. But somewhere subconciously it makes me feel better to have that foil. My confidence level is up and I play better and therefore my cards work better.

But whenever I play with proxies I am usually staring at cheap black and white dull slips of paper. This has an effect and I notice that I perform worse.

Have you ever slaughtered your opponent with a board full of foils? It is SO much fun. Also - me and my friends have this thing where if we have a non-foil version of a card and say we are going through our deck with an effect like Beetle or Enemy of my Enemy we will take the foiled version of a card in our deck and switch it with the one on the field. (We do this from our KO'd pile as well.)

It's nice to have a card that says:

When this card comes into play you may search your KO'd pile and/or library for any foil version of this card and switch them.


Who prefers the foil?

Besides VS is a great TCG personally i don't like VS Foil cards.

It all have strange tendency to change it form from flat to mis-shapen.

Fuinny, I haven't had that problem at all! Maybe I'm just lucky, eh?

The Foils I play with all wind up curved. I think it has to do with heat expansion and the composite nature of the materials.

That all just means that I shuffle too fast. :)

Wow, how is it that none of mine end up curved?

well... when i use a tutor effect, i'll grab a foil of whatever i'm looking for almost every time...
...but i don't swap out the cards in play with foil versions of themselves while i'm tutoring out something else; i think i'd get more than a few sideways looks for that.

i dunno if it helps my game though.... take a look at my rating...
;-)

I dont do it during tournament play, only against friends.

well, considering other games this is the one that i've played where foil cards bend the less. I still have foil cards from my first boosters (MOR and DOR) straight, in facti most of my foil are in a good shape still. The one that bend are because of shuffling style. If you see YGO and DuelMasters foils you'll know what bending is....

Mine all curve too. It's annoying.

And I'm talking about ones that have done nothing except sit in the box. It's not shuffling bends.

Foil cards, I've found, can actually be abused easily in terms of cheating. If a player feels the top card of their deck, bending it and such, they can tell if it's foil.

Take, for example, a Brotherhood/Avengers Reservist deck. Some builds will have a LOT of replace effects. Now, if that player makes ONLY and ALL of the characters in their deck foil, by touching the top card of the deck they can see if it's a character, and thus would know if they should replace a resource to get another reservist facedown.

I've found the same effect when I switch a card out of the binder, or take a card that has been played with a lot. The flexibility can be felt through sleeves.

I, of course, would never succumb to such cheating. But it can exist, and it probably being exploited by someone somewhere.

I was serious when I said that it was heat that caused it. Hot or cold weather, sitting in the back of a car all day. The Foil part expands/contracts less than the cardboard, causing it to curve.

Also by running a limited number of foils of a certain card you can effect a standard cut from your opponents.....or so I've been told.

Yup, I'm aware of the principles involved.
Maybe they should start making foils out of 100% foil stuff. :)

The weird thing is my condo (where they sit) is pretty much at room temperature, maybe a little above. They shouldn't bend as much as they do. :(


When I make a play deck, I try to avoid using foils, just because I don't like how they curve differently. It can cause weird shuffling. I guess the alternative is to use ALL foils, but I don't have enough to do that.

My only fear is that just about EVERY foil i get out of a pack is bent. No creaces, just the way it is. Im afraid some rules laywer is going to call me on it even if its sleaved say that its slightly bent.

You are 100% correct (from a superstitious point of view), but have you tried foiling out a deck then building a completely non-foil version of that deck....the non-foil deck does even better that way.