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Of course you know how Metagame post decklists for the top 8 at permier events? Now if they didn't do that, what would happen?
It would make more people think for themselves, rather the copying down a decklist that won 1st place and playing it. Thus it's possible for compleatly random metagames all over and some more creativity woul emerge, like before when I tried Fantastic Four/Teen Titans, VS would have some of it's luster again.
Sure some of you could still go to this site and look at the deck garage, but your not sure if it's gonna do well or not.
Cool, I was hoping we'd get a netdeck thread this week.
Now we need a "this card is bad for the game because it's too expensive and I don't have four copies of it" thread. Popular cards include Enemy of My Enemy and Null Time Zone.
Originally posted by BillDoor Cool, I was hoping we'd get a netdeck thread this week.
Now we need a "this card is bad for the game because it's too expensive and I don't have four copies of it" thread. Popular cards include Enemy of My Enemy and Null Time Zone.
I couldn't agree more.
I've said it once, and I'll say it again.
There is nothing wrong with netdecking.
You can't force other people to play "original" decks so you can be happy. If you want to be creative, that's entirely your call, but making other people do the same is unfair.
I'm all for creativity and open metagames, but I'm sick of how anti-netdeckers imply they're morally superior to the rest of us because they choose not to play the top decks.
Oh netdecking, I never said that there was anything morally wrong with it. It's just when something wins people copy it down and play it, some tweak it others don't.
Most people got into this game because they liked comic books and they wanted to play their favorite team, thus there was a somwhat diverse field in the beginning....until the cash tournames and the decklist posting of the 1st place winners deck.
Remember DC Modern when GLEE was everywhere, that's what i'm getting at, there were quite a few people who quit when they were demolished by the Teen Titans and TNB and they played it over and over again. I won't even mention Curve Sentinels, oops.
Never did I imply that I was morally superior. Just to state that, infact i'm quite immoral.
Originally posted by Annihilus Oh netdecking, I never said that there was anything morally wrong with it. It's just when something wins people copy it down and play it, some tweak it others don't.
Most people got into this game because they liked comic books and they wanted to play their favorite team, thus there was a somwhat diverse field in the beginning....until the cash tournames and the decklist posting of the 1st place winners deck.
Remember DC Modern when GLEE was everywhere, that's what i'm getting at, there were quite a few people who quit when they were demolished by the Teen Titans and TNB and they played it over and over again. I won't even mention Curve Sentinels, oops.
Never did I imply that I was morally superior. Just to state that, infact i'm quite immoral.
You never said you were morally superior, but in general whenever threads like these are started it's implied. Implied means it was never directly stated, but alluded to. Maybe you didn't mean to make that impression, but it's generally what I feel when I see threads like this.
People always mention the first DCMA as an example of how "un-diverse" the format is. Considering that was almost a year ago, and the format will never see the light of day again, I don't see how it's a valid point.
The problem is, most people who like to play their favorite teams do so by playing competitively. Inevitably, they're going to be upset when they lose to better decks, which unfortunately sometimes leads to them quitting. If you want to play your favorite teams in a diverse environment, it's going to have to be in a casual setting. When money/stuff is involved, people are going to play what they feel is the best deck, and if it's not their concern if it's boring for you to play against.
Because chanses are, the people who built the deck built it that way for a reason. theres three of or one of things that are that amount because its just balanced that way, so I dont wanna mess that up. Sure, ill take out cards as nessesary, but in all honesty, unless you have time to test your changes, your better off going with a net deck and minor/obvious changes
Thats why Ilike to read PC reports and ask around what changes could be made. That way I can try and make the deck even better.
Here is why I don't completly hate netdecking. I can make a fun straight X-Men deck for Modern Marvel, and I did. However the decks I come up with are not going to be as good as something like Faces of X. Reason being, TDC had many talented people to sit and playtest with and brainstorm. Something like FoX or Ivy League was the result of alot of testing, trial and error.
Now I can go with my crappy X-Men deck that's fun to play to a PCQ, where I have to pay my money to enter, or take X-Faces with some of my own personal touches to it. Fact is that I don't have infinite money, and I like to get a return on my investment in the form of Prizes/PCPoints/Money.
As has been said people will play their crazy decks on the kitchen table, but when money is on the line things to me enter a higher level of importance. I understand having fun and being creative, I also understand that money is important(if you don't think so, that's because you have it).
Where, oh, where is this casual environment you speak of? I have the solution to the problem most anti-netdeckers have.
Pro-Player registration. If you aren't qualified for the PC you can't access the top 8's. If you are qualified for the PC you can't play in PCQs. That way creativity is preserved in the metagame which should increase the challenge for newbies and Pros alike. Pro Players are the only people that should have the luxury of scouting the field with out paying for their own expenses. Amateur Baseball teams don't get scouting reports posted on the Internet for them. Just a basic rundown of the teams in the league and a roster. Not line-up info and strategy reports. No info about what pitches the pitcher favors. See this would be the equivalent of posting the play-test teams in attendance, the players that played, where they placed and what team they played. Not the decklist nor articles about how to play the decks. See all that info would be fine for people who earned it, that need to scout the field to compete, that deserve to have that work done for them so they can focus on what they do… Building decks and testing them for weakness.
There are three (very general) types of players. A. Players that want to create their own decks completely from scratch. B. Players that want to have their hands held in creating a deck, and C. Players that want to exploit the weaknesses in every other deck out there. Why should players in the "B." category be helped in their goals to make the Pro Circuit? Isn't Deck building supposed to be just as important as playing?
I would think that every pro player out there would be offended by the fact that kids can earn a PC birth by copying a deck off of the Internet, then playing it repeatedly at small "casual" tournament without ever breaking the top 100 in a PCQ or 10K event. But Maybe I'm wrong.