So whatcha all think of this new ability.


Will it A) be clarified that you can only pay printed attack or B) Will Mystical Conduit+ teamup be errated to fix this?

Could see doc ock stunning a board with conduit.

would just like to make it clear that I have NO idea what you are talking about.

does this have to do with the new spidey friends theme, or just some old trick. elaborate please.

That's alot of life to pay. Since you also have to discard 4 cards, it seems like too much of a cost to errata it. But we'll have to wait and find out. My opinion, however, is that they won't.

One of the new themes in MTU is "paying" atk

I sorta recognized that in my post that you quoted tpuefol.

that doesn't help me understand what the original post is talking about, or how this would help Doc Ock stun an entire board.

I guess maybe i'm just missing something vital here.

For those that do not know the card in question

-->Dr. Octopus: Master of Evil
6-Drop
12/12, Range
Sinister Syndicate
Loyalty
Discard a card, pay X ATK this turn -> Stun target non-defending character with DEF X or less. Use only while Dr. Octopus is attacking and no more than four times per turn.


I guess the idea would be to team up with shadowpact.

On turn 6 you want 4 cards or more in hand and a Magical Conduit in your row. Which reads

As an additional cost to play Magical Conduit, pay X endurance.

Target Shadowpact attacker or defender you control gets +X ATK this attack and cannot cause breakthrough this attack.

Burn yourself for as much End you think you need to stun the board.
Pay the Atk, for each one discard a card.

Attack with the doc and swing to the face the rest of your board.

Now how hard will this be to do on turn 6? That i dont know, but that would be the general idea.

why thank you, that was a big help in figuring out exactly what was going on.

Considering he is a 6 drop with loyalty and a discard for each activation, it sounds like a card interaction that would be perfectly fine. I can't imagine them creating errata to nerf people from trying to blow themselves up in a gambit to stun the opposing board. On turn 6 no less.

If you think about it, by 6th turn, Titans also stun their opponents whole board. Off initiative, with less drawback and maybe more consistently. If you take that into consideration, there's no problem with Doc Oc in the slightest.

Yeah seriously if you need to blow up the entire field with that many discard+Payment, then by all means do it. Unless of course they've been stalling to that moment, in which case there's a new finisher.

don't even need complicated combos to use with doc ock.

Doc Ock + 2 beatdowns
Doc ock + flying kicks
doc ock + that mega pump from Infinite Crisis whose name i can't remember


supposing that your opponent's whole board is still in play by turn 6

you don't need to stun his whole board. Just the 4 5 6...

now i don't know the averages for the defense ratings of 4 5 6 drops but that's not a high number to reach

12, 9, 7.

28 attack... +16 is what he'd need, that's if you don't mind that he isn't going to be doing any direct endurance loss.

thanks for the numbers Merdle.

Playing him in a syndicate deck, you can doc ock's lab and then 2 flying kicks

that would be a plus 9 attack. 12 + 9 = 21.

Assuming you get that set up you can swing into the lowest drop and then just take out the 6 drop and the 5 drop.

going back to the first post in this thread, i don't think this ability is too much of a concern right

its not something that ends games on turn 3

and it not even a guarantee to win it all for you on turn 6

If you take out there 4 5 6 and still have yours and you lose you probably should take up another game.:(

i can see a card that you pay atk and increase defense...

like some of the previous cards that decrease atk and increase def when defending but of course you get to control this

And also you are 'paying' attack, not 'losing' attack, so you can't gain more def than you have attack.