Can I target a character in play with master plan?

I understand if a character moves zones it becomes "a new card".

So I would't be able to recruit the target character even if it were to become KO'd. But could I, for example, target my opponents in play two drop discarding my King Shark to play the cost and thus enabeling me to recruit him?

I think this works but I would like reasurance.
Thanks!

Along the same lines, if I used Master plan on a character card in my KO pile, recruited them, then KO'd them, could I recruit them again that same turn without having to discard again? It says "character card", which it never stops being.

the actual text would help. if it says target character card in a KO pile then to the first poster ...No

to the second ...No it is no longer the same card you targetted with your effect.

Thanks to docx for the card text.

Cost: 2 Master Plan
Ongoing: Discard a Secret Society character card -> You can recruit target character card from a KO'd pile this turn. Use only once per turn.


It does just say "target character card" not "target character card in a KOed pile". Although It depends more on what that "from" connotates. If the "from" is supposed to imply that the character card must be in the koed pile than no but otherwise yes. As with some other rulings this may be another issue of the streamlined wording of the newest sets. Although your usage is not really within the spirit of the card it all depends on what "from" means.

Time to wait for HeroComplex...

So you've all already figured out that if a card changes zones, it becomes a new object. So just follow the logic. When that card exits the KO'd pile because you recruited it, it is no longer the same card that was the target of Master Plan.

I dont think you can target a character in play but...

If you discard a King Shark for the payment, the effect (ability to recruit target character) goes on the chain.

You do not have to choose the target until the effect comes to resolve.

So, I would think that you could you target the card you discarded (King Shark) as he is now in a KO pile. Therefore enabling you to bring him into play. :)

Nope. You name all your targets as you use the effect, making it impossible to target the card you discard.

You won't be able to recruit the card again after you KO it, after using Master Plan on it, because to the game, it's not the same card.

You won't be able to target your opponent's in play drop, because it's not a character card in a KO'd pile, ;)

From the glossary entry for Card:
Emphasis mine.

Master Plan just says to target a character card, and that card can be recruited from a KO'd pile this turn. So you could target a character card in play, discarding your King Shark as the cost, and the effect would resolve just fine. Then, you could recruit King Shark from your KO'd pile. Obviously you couldn't ever recruit the character you targetted with the effect, but that's not what you were going for anyway. :)

I think there is a miscommunication here between what you all think the original poster is asking and what you are all answering so let me try and clarify so this issue can get fully resolved.

He understands that the character he would be targetting in play he could obviously never recruit as for one it is in play and even if it were to ever enter a KOed pile it would have changed zones so it would no longer be the card that he originally targeted. This was never in question...

The question he does have however is due to the wording of the card would he be able to target a character in play with Master Plans effect. The advantage he is hoping to gain from this is not to recruit a character on his opponents field but instead to simply find a way to get King Shark as he mentions, into the KOed pile so that King Shark may be recruited. The ability to recruit the targeted character was never the question. The question is however is he allowed to target a character in play?

The wording of the card does not specifically state (at least in clear enough english) that he could not target a character in play. Eventhough this is evidently not the intention of the card but to the letter of the law there appears to be nothing stopping this interaction.

Discard a Secret Society character card -> You can recruit target character card from a KO'd pile this turn. Use only once per turn.

The only restriction on the target specifically seems to be that you have to target a character card. The question is how we must interpret the "from a KO'd pile" in this instance. Is the word "from" supposed to imply "target character card in a Koed pile can be recruited this turn" or "target character card, if it is in a Koed pile, can be recruited this turn".

There is a difference between those two effects so which is it and why? Discuss...

Dissect it like you would in grammar school.

"From a KO'd pile this turn" specifies where it can be recruited from this turn, not where the target must be.

My answer above. :)

Thanks minivan that is what I was asking!

Is HC out there?

Like I said in my initial response to this thread this may however just be another culprit of the "streamlined wording" that has probably done the game more harm than good for players looking to use some more advanced card interactions like this one, but I digress. :p

Good help as always comes in form of Official FAQs:
So: You play Master Plan. Costs are first targetting a character card X in any KO'd pile (not in play). To have Master Plan work, X must stay in that KO'd pile until you recruit it - this needn't be stated as it would become "another card" and thus break "being targetted". Then, you discard a Secret Society character card (you guessed it, targetting is over, so THIS card cannot return from the KO'd pile due to THIS Master Plan - maybe the next one.
Now, if your Master Planned recruit somewhen re-enters the KO'd pile, you may NOT Master Plan him back with THIS ALREADY PLAYED Master Plan - it changed zone, thus became a new card, thus broke being targetted earlier.

If you somehow fail to being able to target X later on (maybe because your opponent made it impossible to target his character cards), Master Plan was a waste. Targetting is checked twice, when played and when resolving. So, this could be a way to destroy Master Plan.

The portion I have bolded in the quotation above is simply an assumption the FAQ does not explicitly state that.

The wording used throughout the FAQ to explain the use of the card assumes you've chosen a card in the KOed pile but this is also the normal intended usage of the card, and may lean us towards thinking one must choose a card in the KOed pile as the target but does not fully confirm anything one way or the other.

MrHeckensleigh the question you have answered is not bungos question (see my clarifying post a few back) although pulling out the FAQ has however helped us to learn that the actual question this thread pertains to is not clarified in the FAQ so we must continue to wait.