Hi sigma,

I've been trying to dig into the consolidated rules but found no particular ruling in army building that prohibits an item to be deployed without a wielder? can you please help me verify?

reading about the form construct thread earlier also leads me to believe that it is the case?

Thanks again for your wisdom in these matters.

In the Rulebook under Items, 4th paragraph, 2nd sentence: During Deployment, an item must be placed in a warrior's item slot.

Officially, it's not possible, but there are always house rules and scenarios you could use to make it possible for personal games. I don't know about you, but I think it'll be kinda weird going back to structured tournaments after having so much free reign to do whatever we want with the rules for so many years...

Yeah you're right. Found it as well. Thanks for pointing it out.

I guess floating relics only work with Form Constructs because upon deployment they "Wield" the floating items thus making it legal.

If you have an item in your build that cannot be wielded during deployment, you have an illegal build. If you have a way to cause all items to be wielded, you are good to go.

Lets assume that you have an army build that uses Form Construct, and that the construct so formed is supposed to, at deployment, wield a relic or an item (further assume there is no other figure in the army that can wield the item/relic). Now further assume that Domains are being used, and that the player opposite this build plays Ley Drain, which specifies that "All relics are ignored". Because domains are played prior to army deployment, the Construct figure of Form Construct would never come into play and the build would have an item/relic without a wielder, and as such, an illegal build. What's the resolution here - would the item/relic simply not be deployed? (This question impacts Warcon's question and another thread in the Battle Formation forum)

I'm not home so I don't have my cards with me. What are the exact words of Ley Drain? My initial thought is that the intent of Ley Drain is that the relics are ignored in terms of abilities they grant, but that Spellbooks still function as such (since their usage is not related to their relic-ness).

I quoted the text in my post- it simply says "All relics are ignored". The only other text concerns the ending condition of the Domain. If spell books (except for the Apprentice Folio) are relics, then I woul think they would be subject to the effect. That's what I would have argued back in the day.

The Omens Domains are stupid broken IMHO. It seemed like they were tailor-made for my dual sky dragon army.

Back in the day I would have had to discuss what the intent was. While I agree a literal reading of it would mean that they are ignored altogether, I'm not sure that's what the intent was. But then again, it may have been.

In any case, even assuming that the Form Construct cannot be cast in this case, that's an interesting question - I'd have to think about it. Part of me would want to say that in this case the item would just be undeployed, because you have a way to deploy it but a domain prevented that way. That seems more fair than calling the game a forfeit because of an "illegal" build. But then again, it's probably a very foolish thing to depend on. The rules are pretty specific that you must place each item in a warrior's slot during deployment, so I can see an argument for having it be "illegal". It would probably be a good idea to always have a backup, just in case.

I am officially Necroing this thread because I cannot find the original thread for form construct:)

I am loving Form Construct more and more every day :)

Since there are no official "tournaments" anymore, I think in a casual game, I'd just allow it to be undeployed. For a tournament, I think the tournament organizer would need to decide what's best for their group. I personally would argue for it being this way, too, but I think strictly as written you'd thus have an illegal deployment. But that does seem harsh.

It's something the players should probably just have an understanding of beforehand just in case. Or, better yet - don't build yourself into a corner :)