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Earth X Iron Man and the Iron Manor Location Bonus
Here is the figure:
Here is the Location Bonus:
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Iron Avengers, Assemble BONUS: The bystanders printed on this map are "Iron Avengers." At the beginning of the game, choose a friendly character of 50 points or more. That character has "POWER: Roll a d6. If the result is odd, generate the matching Iron Avenger in the square equal to the result if that Iron Avenger isn't already on the map. If EAX#056 Iron Man is on your starting force, he must be the chosen character. If so, he can't otherwise generate Iron Avengers. Instead, this Location bonus is a FREE action and he generates an Iron Avenger on any result (not just on odd number results). CONSOLATION: At the beginning of the game, generate a Tank, Crimson Sage, or Bolt bystander in your starting area. LOCATION: You may add one Location to your starting force. You may add any number of the Location's different Bonuses to your starting force by paying their costs. If you are the player that chooses the map and you chose the Location, you can use the Bonus(es) you paid for. If you didn't choose the map and didn't win the roll for first player, you instead can use the Consolation(s) associated with the Bonus(es) you paid for. (Otherwise, there are no effects.) SCORING: Your Location's Bonus(es) that you paid for are scored if you are defeated. (Whether you received the Bonus, the Consolation, or nothing.)
Here is my question:
If Iron Man uses the Location Bonus to generate an Iron Avenger, and that bystander is then KO’d, does he have to roll for unavoidable damage because of his trait?
I would assume not, based on this rule:
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From the Core Rulebook, p. 31:
Like “named” tokens, generated game elements are always specific to the game element whose effect brought them into the game, even if the generated game elements share the same name. If more than one character generates the same game element, you are required to track which game elements were generated by which.
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A character has “FREE: Generate a rat bystander.” and “When this character is KO’d, KO all rat bystanders.” This effect looks for a rat bystander described on that character’s card and places such a bystander in an adjacent square. When the character is KO’d, you KO only the rats that character generated, not any other rats, even if they were generated by other characters with the same name.
Iron Man’s card and the Location Bonus each define “Iron Avengers” differently, by referencing their own bystanders. The thing that gives me pause is the Location Bonus stating “If so, he can't otherwise generate Iron Avengers”, which only makes sense if it’s refering to Iron Man’s own Iron Avengers.
I'm gonna say that you are correct and that Iron Man would NOT take unavoidable damage. And, if I'm wrong, then it would be a mistake to ever use that Iron Man with that map.
jaysolomongrundy wrote:
When generating bystanders from the effect granted to Iron Man by the map Location Bonus, will Iron Man's trait trigger if one of those generated bystanders is KO'd, causing him to roll to possibly damage himself?
Yes. Please note that he would only roll when an Iron Avenger he generated is KO'd.
Also, just to be clear, playing Iron Man on the map is so worth the unavoidable damage risk.
Also, just to be clear, playing Iron Man on the map is so worth the unavoidable damage risk.
Thanks. Good to know how it works, and that it’s worth it.
That WIN post is very useful to me. I hadn’t even thought about using Iron Man’s own generating effect before the Location bonus takes effect. That’s a neat trick.
I have also been wondering how far removed an optional effect has to be from an illegal game state before the Rule of Occupancy would allow it. The example where some or all of the Iron Avenger squares are occupied, is perfect.
Yes. Please note that he would only roll when an Iron Avenger he generated is KO'd.
So the Location Bonus hurts Iron Man, since it makes him generate the Iron Avengers, but the Consolation generates them itself, so those three shouldn’t hurt him, right?
So the Location Bonus hurts Iron Man, since it makes him generate the Iron Avengers, but the Consolation generates them itself, so those three shouldn’t hurt him, right?