Alright everyone.... I saw something on FB.... so now it is time.....

LET'S GET READY TO RUMMMMMMBBBBBLLLLLEE!!!
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In the Dark Blue corner:



In the Blood Red corner:



Initial Bet: Doomsday.

This is a tough one, but I think Darkseid takes it. The higher values stick around longer plus the prob helps, and the psychic blast plus the unavoidable from using an object give him a way to rush doomsday down at the end - once doomsday is off the invincible, Darkseid can make quick work of him.

That said, even with protection from penetrating, that first hit on Darkseid is going to be a big wallop. This one is definitely a dice and luck game for doomsday, with a little more strategy involved for Darkseid.

Doomsday essentially starts the game on click 3 - Darkseid can sidestep away from him dropping a terrain marker, then shoot the terrain marker to deal 2 unavoidable right out the gate. With the right positioning, he can do that 3x with all his terrain markers.

Money's on Doomsday. He'll likely get the first hit in and if that Impervious doesn't land Darkseid eats 5 damage. It can be even more if he has an object held. Giant on Doomsday means he gets more chances to attack. Sure, Darkseid can do it all over again via resurrection, but the question then becomes, can Darkseid get through those steal energy and impervious clicks at the end.

Darkseid. Doomsday has no way to guarantee damage. In theory Darkseid can just tag him from STOP to STOP.

Watching this thread with interest.....

I think Darkseid has it due to the range, right?

Let battle commence!

Actually, Doomsday has an edge there, with an 11 square swing (full move and then CLOSE) compared to 10 for Darkseid (sidestep + 8 range). The map would play a role, since Darkseid has IT: Destroy blocking while Doomsday would be serious disadvantaged on an indoor map with a lot of blocking.

I don't see Darkseid's terrain marker destruction coming into play much. I don't think objects count as terrain markers so Doomsday doesn't have to place anything Darkseid can use against him. Darkseid only has super strength halfway down. I suppose if Darkseid gets hit he can grab the terrain marker he's camping by, but it'll have to be next turn that he can put it down next to Doomsday to attack it.

Objects are a subset of terrain markers.

Yes, objects are terrain markers. That means that if darkseid places an object next to doomsday with sidestep then destroys it, doomsday takes two unavoidable right through the stop clicks. If darkseid picks up a terrain marker next to doomsday and hits him with it, he takes two unavoidable after getting hit.

I repped for the clarification on terrain.

However...
"square that terrain marker last occupied" -Darkseid trait

Last I remember objects being held are considered off the map, though. Been awhile.

This is correct.

I'm not sure if Jaguar is right about getting the two unavoidable by destroying a terrain marker in a terrain attack.

This is definitely a weirdo. If Darkseid picks up a terrain marker in square A1 on turn 1, carries it around for a while, then destroys it a few turns later, I would think that the "square the terrain marker last occupied" is still A1, regardless of where it gets destroyed. Which is kinda annoying to keep track of.

I think that's more likely and in keeping with the wording than getting the damage automatically when using ia terrain marker in an attack. But yeah, it'd be awful to keep track of; I wouldn't be shocked to see an errata or clarification on it.

My money is on Darkseid. All hail the Dark Lord of Apokolips.

I'd need to see the power quoted but if he's carrying terrain around for a while, he would have 2 options:
1. use it in a CLOSE or RANGE terrain action: it is destroyed and the trait never effects.

2. He has to put it down adjacent. Destroys it. Trait effects, using the most recent square (not A1 at this point).

Otherwise, the wording needs errata as I can't imagine "remember every square ever" being the intention of the power; that's bat$$$$ crazy.