question 1, when a figure with pilot ability is KO'd and the Pilot pops onto the field what is his point value considered to be where game effects are concerned? example Sleipnir with Darksied as his pilot.

question 2, when a Dinosaur Hatchling is KO'd and reveals another animal, if that animal character has multiple start lines which one, if any, should be considered his point value where game effects are concerned? example reveal Kong on Click 13 (within his 200 point dial)

would Kong being brought in this way still have his ability to reduce penetrating damage from characters 200 points or less?

1. You decide all point values during force construction, including pieces on the Sideline.

2. The starting line immediately preceding whatever click it comes in on. Example: Kong comes in on click 18-21 he’s 50 points, but on click 17 he’s 200 points. If it came from the Sideline it’s point value was determined during force construction though. Since he’s not unique you can have one at each point value on your sideline.

Depends on which point value he comes in on. If you chose 50 points then he can’t come in on a lower click number than 18. If he’s 500 there’s no limit.

Since the Pilot is generated, not KOed, they're just their printed point cost. In Darkseid's case, assuming you mean the one from Masters of Time, he'd be 300 points.


Comicjunkie is not correct here.

This is a replacement effect, so that's going to come into play.


Comicjunkie's answer seems to be based on 2.6, but ignores that only comes into play if the effect tells you to look for a point cost. The Dino Hatchling's trait does not, in fact, it doesn't even tie you into any one figure. You can have multiple characters on your sideline with the Animal keyword, and pick the best one. Their starting line is considered to be the Green one.

Further:

So if you replace the Hatchling with Kong and Kong is KOed, your opponent would score 500 points because that's higher. If you replaced the Hatchling with Tippy Toe and KO Tippy Toe, they would score 45, the point value of the Hatchling, because that's higher than Tippy Toe's 25.

How does 1.7 square with vampire dials then? They have traits determining starting lines that can be healed beyond.

We had it ruled that ‘if applicable’ made its sideline inclusion inapplicable since you don’t spend points for things on Sideline in most cases but if you can find a win ruling that says otherwise I’ll bring the issue back up. If a character has (+X points) you have to pay that during force construction even if on sideline as it then becomes applicable.

I don’t have Hatchling and didn’t realize it used replacement in place of generation. If the OP had quoted the power I’d have answered differently.

better late than never

Usually, replacement doesn't involve healing, it's just click number for click number (that's why the Multiversal Masters of Evil needed errata). Dino Hatchling is different. Let's use Hellcow as an example:



If you replace a Hatchling with three Growth Counters with Hellcow, she comes in on click eight, and cannot heal past click six.


There isn't anything in the Modern rules, or the last couple pages of past rules. Please, ask on the WIN. I rarely bother any more because they haven't answered a question of mine on the WIN in some time. I've seen this general issue (about starting lines for replacements come up a lot lately, and this is the answer I've seen from people better with the rules than I am.

I'd also go back again to the MMoE needing errata to keep you from replacing the 50 point versions with the 100 point ones. I think that also led to an overhaul of part of the rulebook, but I always try to purge my mind of past wording (not always successfully).

Optional traits can only be used if the character is on your starting force, generally. Check 19.2a and b. I'm only saying generally because of stuff like the Next Phase Deities are an exception.